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<blockquote data-quote="CattleAnnie" data-source="post: 196392" data-attributes="member: 220"><p>Beef11,</p><p></p><p>"Ideally call for a C-section at first signs of Dystocia?"</p><p></p><p>Bingo. You've hit the nail right on the head. Basically, the longer the delivery, the more stress to both cow and calf, thus the importance of keeping a vigilant eye on expectant cows.</p><p></p><p>"but who does that?"</p><p>As far as C-sections go, well, guilty as charged. As a matter of fact, up here, it would be pretty hard to find someone with stock who didn't do that. (Maybe that's why we're lucky enough to have 3 Large Animal vets practicing in an area who's closest town has a population of 12,000).</p><p></p><p>If I've got a cow that's starting to calve, I usually figure on giving her an hour from waterbag to delivery.</p><p></p><p>If she doesn't have it by then, it's time to do some sleuthing (or you've only seen one foot, a lot of straining and no progress you'd have known that something was amiss earlier and taken appropriate action; etc).</p><p></p><p>It really doesn't take that long to run her into the maternity pen, glove up and make a quick exam. Maybe twenty minutes tops if she's being a hag about it.</p><p></p><p>So now within an hour and a half you know what you're up against. Maybe it's something as easy to correct as a nose tipped between the forelegs - maybe it's a coarse boned calf that's just not going to fit.</p><p></p><p>So in our case, it's just over an hour to get to the vet's when you're hauling the stocktrailer. Add another twenty minutes to hook up, back in and load.</p><p></p><p>This now makes it almost three hours (best case if you've seen her with the water bag) from 'active labour' to veterinary intervention. Not too bad for the cow, but even so I've lost a calf that just stressed too much.</p><p></p><p>Now we've been fortunate and had the vet who lives closest to us perform a C-section within thirty five minutes of being called, but really can't count on it.</p><p></p><p>I guess it just boils down to how frequently you check your stock, the unfortunate thing is that so many people have to work off farm/ranch - and by the time they come home after work they may have an animal that's been in trouble for seven hours.</p><p></p><p>Not good, but there you have it - which is why I gave up my driving job for calving season. Can't afford to lose any, and just can't let them "do it on their own" with no one around for half the day - with my luck they'd all be tits up by suppertime. ;-) </p><p></p><p>Basically, vigilance and good facilities (they don't have to be fancy - just strong and installed with a bit of forethought) can go a long way.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Take care. Time to go check again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CattleAnnie, post: 196392, member: 220"] Beef11, "Ideally call for a C-section at first signs of Dystocia?" Bingo. You've hit the nail right on the head. Basically, the longer the delivery, the more stress to both cow and calf, thus the importance of keeping a vigilant eye on expectant cows. "but who does that?" As far as C-sections go, well, guilty as charged. As a matter of fact, up here, it would be pretty hard to find someone with stock who didn't do that. (Maybe that's why we're lucky enough to have 3 Large Animal vets practicing in an area who's closest town has a population of 12,000). If I've got a cow that's starting to calve, I usually figure on giving her an hour from waterbag to delivery. If she doesn't have it by then, it's time to do some sleuthing (or you've only seen one foot, a lot of straining and no progress you'd have known that something was amiss earlier and taken appropriate action; etc). It really doesn't take that long to run her into the maternity pen, glove up and make a quick exam. Maybe twenty minutes tops if she's being a hag about it. So now within an hour and a half you know what you're up against. Maybe it's something as easy to correct as a nose tipped between the forelegs - maybe it's a coarse boned calf that's just not going to fit. So in our case, it's just over an hour to get to the vet's when you're hauling the stocktrailer. Add another twenty minutes to hook up, back in and load. This now makes it almost three hours (best case if you've seen her with the water bag) from 'active labour' to veterinary intervention. Not too bad for the cow, but even so I've lost a calf that just stressed too much. Now we've been fortunate and had the vet who lives closest to us perform a C-section within thirty five minutes of being called, but really can't count on it. I guess it just boils down to how frequently you check your stock, the unfortunate thing is that so many people have to work off farm/ranch - and by the time they come home after work they may have an animal that's been in trouble for seven hours. Not good, but there you have it - which is why I gave up my driving job for calving season. Can't afford to lose any, and just can't let them "do it on their own" with no one around for half the day - with my luck they'd all be tits up by suppertime. ;-) Basically, vigilance and good facilities (they don't have to be fancy - just strong and installed with a bit of forethought) can go a long way. Take care. Time to go check again. [/QUOTE]
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