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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 3835"><p>Actually, yes, my exposure to the breed has been less than 5 years. But in beef cattle, 5 years is not enough time to convert a breed population over on any trait. If you notice, most breeds that have had "temperament" problems have recognized it and has been scoring their cattle on dispostion, and relating it into an EPD evaluation to improve that trait. Please notice that the Simmental breed has never had to evaluate disposition. Now I am not saying there aren't some "nuts" running around - there deffinately ARE - in ALL BREEDS. I've even had some on my farm. My comments relate to many discussions with many different types of breeders. I've been in the purebred business for 30 years and have gotten around. Previously, been sales chairman of a bull test for about 15 years. Seen all breeds along with their temperament "away" from home. If we have something negative to say about a breed, are we supposed to keep quiet & let newcomers "swallow their lumps"? I didnot elaborate on my experience with the breed, but I have more than "limited personal observations". Jeanne <A HREF="http://www.SimmeValley.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.SimmeValley.com</A></p><p>> How long ago did you have contact</p><p>> with the breed? If it was more</p><p>> than 5 years ago you may be</p><p>> surprised at the changes. As with</p><p>> all imported breeds(of which</p><p>> Salers are one of the most recent</p><p>> first coming to the U.S. in the</p><p>> early 1970's), when the numbers</p><p>> are growing in the U.S. many</p><p>> cattle that should be culled are</p><p>> kept until the total population</p><p>> improves. Today these cattle are</p><p>> culled (as a rule). One item that</p><p>> should be kept in mind when</p><p>> discussing any breed is that in a</p><p>> population there are good and bad</p><p>> individuals. I can guarantee that</p><p>> in any breed you can find any</p><p>> number of cattle that are</p><p>> "nuts". My experience</p><p>> with purebred salers was very</p><p>> good. We had no calving problems</p><p>> even when crossing with charolais</p><p>> and the cows were very calm even</p><p>> after calving. I walked through</p><p>> the herd on foot every day and</p><p>> never once witnessed any hint of</p><p>> agressive behavior. In short make</p><p>> sure that limited personal</p><p>> observations are not sold as</p><p>> indicitive of a whole population</p><p>> to be fair to everyone especially</p><p>> those who may not have a lot of</p><p>> experience with cattle.</p><p></p><p> <a href="mailto:simmeval@swns.net">simmeval@swns.net</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 3835"] Actually, yes, my exposure to the breed has been less than 5 years. But in beef cattle, 5 years is not enough time to convert a breed population over on any trait. If you notice, most breeds that have had "temperament" problems have recognized it and has been scoring their cattle on dispostion, and relating it into an EPD evaluation to improve that trait. Please notice that the Simmental breed has never had to evaluate disposition. Now I am not saying there aren't some "nuts" running around - there deffinately ARE - in ALL BREEDS. I've even had some on my farm. My comments relate to many discussions with many different types of breeders. I've been in the purebred business for 30 years and have gotten around. Previously, been sales chairman of a bull test for about 15 years. Seen all breeds along with their temperament "away" from home. If we have something negative to say about a breed, are we supposed to keep quiet & let newcomers "swallow their lumps"? I didnot elaborate on my experience with the breed, but I have more than "limited personal observations". Jeanne <A HREF="http://www.SimmeValley.com" TARGET="_blank">http://www.SimmeValley.com</A> > How long ago did you have contact > with the breed? If it was more > than 5 years ago you may be > surprised at the changes. As with > all imported breeds(of which > Salers are one of the most recent > first coming to the U.S. in the > early 1970's), when the numbers > are growing in the U.S. many > cattle that should be culled are > kept until the total population > improves. Today these cattle are > culled (as a rule). One item that > should be kept in mind when > discussing any breed is that in a > population there are good and bad > individuals. I can guarantee that > in any breed you can find any > number of cattle that are > "nuts". My experience > with purebred salers was very > good. We had no calving problems > even when crossing with charolais > and the cows were very calm even > after calving. I walked through > the herd on foot every day and > never once witnessed any hint of > agressive behavior. In short make > sure that limited personal > observations are not sold as > indicitive of a whole population > to be fair to everyone especially > those who may not have a lot of > experience with cattle. [email=simmeval@swns.net]simmeval@swns.net[/email] [/QUOTE]
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