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<blockquote data-quote="DOC HARRIS" data-source="post: 345601" data-attributes="member: 1683"><p>Bill-</p><p>Your saying that this bull has a ". . .truly outstanding set of EPD's" strikes an alarm bell to me. "Outstanding" can mean several things, among which could be too LOW a BW, along with too high Milking numbers. Also, if the BW is low and the YW is over 100 - while that is exceptional Growth EPD,s, something, somewhere in there has to be a negative, and usually the cow size is either too small, making the mating suspect for too big a calf, - or - if the cow size is acceptable for that size of a potentially BIG calf, that might be why the $EN is low. Cow Energy Value ($EN) expressed in dollars savings per cow per year, assesses differences in cow energy requirements as an expected dollar savings difference in daughters of sires. A larger value is more favorable when comparing two animals (more animals saved on feed energy expenses). Components for computing the cow $EN savings difference include lactation energy requirements and energy costs associated with differences in mature cow size. There is that "Cow Size" subject again, which cycles back to increased cow maintenance costs. If, in fact, there is a trend of lower $EN EPD's , it could portend the ever-increasing heavier cow size tendency resulting in higher and higher maintenance costs. If you think about it, - if we breed our producing cows in 2007 to bulls with across-the-board EPD's, his replacement calves won't have THEIR calves old enough to analyse until 2010 or 2011. By that time, if the cows are genetically engineered to weigh 1500+ lbs, your feed costs, and all other relative expenses are eating you out of business.</p><p></p><p>Taken all in all, 1200-1300 lb, breeders are more profitable in the long run, and considering the cost of supplemental feed (Corn, etc.), we certainly don't need cows that weigh 300-600 lbs MORE than that to feed and house. </p><p></p><p>THAT is the significance of the $EN figure in considering bull selection.</p><p></p><p>DOC HARRIS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DOC HARRIS, post: 345601, member: 1683"] Bill- Your saying that this bull has a ". . .truly outstanding set of EPD's" strikes an alarm bell to me. "Outstanding" can mean several things, among which could be too LOW a BW, along with too high Milking numbers. Also, if the BW is low and the YW is over 100 - while that is exceptional Growth EPD,s, something, somewhere in there has to be a negative, and usually the cow size is either too small, making the mating suspect for too big a calf, - or - if the cow size is acceptable for that size of a potentially BIG calf, that might be why the $EN is low. Cow Energy Value ($EN) expressed in dollars savings per cow per year, assesses differences in cow energy requirements as an expected dollar savings difference in daughters of sires. A larger value is more favorable when comparing two animals (more animals saved on feed energy expenses). Components for computing the cow $EN savings difference include lactation energy requirements and energy costs associated with differences in mature cow size. There is that "Cow Size" subject again, which cycles back to increased cow maintenance costs. If, in fact, there is a trend of lower $EN EPD's , it could portend the ever-increasing heavier cow size tendency resulting in higher and higher maintenance costs. If you think about it, - if we breed our producing cows in 2007 to bulls with across-the-board EPD's, his replacement calves won't have THEIR calves old enough to analyse until 2010 or 2011. By that time, if the cows are genetically engineered to weigh 1500+ lbs, your feed costs, and all other relative expenses are eating you out of business. Taken all in all, 1200-1300 lb, breeders are more profitable in the long run, and considering the cost of supplemental feed (Corn, etc.), we certainly don't need cows that weigh 300-600 lbs MORE than that to feed and house. THAT is the significance of the $EN figure in considering bull selection. DOC HARRIS [/QUOTE]
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