Angus Bull

[inyati13]

Took these today. He is picking up weight. Not a bad picture. Feel absolutely free to say what ever you want. I will provide absolute amnesty in advance. What you say don't make him one speck better or worse, does it??? I am not too happy with his calves. I am thinking about selling him this fall. He is gentle. He is the easiest one I have to work through the chute.
His grandpa is B/R New Frontier 095, His dad is LJ New Frontier 0714

 

[kenny thomas]

You said the thing that really matters, that you are not happy with his calves. I will keep bulls that might not be my favorite if the calves suit me.

 

[inyati13]

You said the thing that really matters, that you are not happy with his calves. I will keep bulls that might not be my favorite if the calves suit me.

Kenny, I have comparisons to make. The bred heifers I got from the Rocking P folks had their first calves that looked like they were on steroids. This bulls calves from the same cows on their second and third calves are not as good. I love him for his nature but I am sad to say, his calves look like runts.

 

[KNERSIE]

Like begets like.

On another note, he looks like he has bottle jaw, caused by internal parasites, here I would have guessed liverfluke. If he shows clinical signs you can bet your bottom dollar others will also be infested.

 

[3waycross]

I am not too happy with his calves.[/quote]

Like my buddy Rick always says........"Ya plant a potata ya get a potata" :cowboy:

 

[chippie]

He has what my daughters call "cat hams". You know how when you look at a cat's profile, the cat is straight from the base of it's tail to it's hocks. No meat. It may be the angle of the photo, but he does not seem to have much expression of muscle through his back quarter.
Are his calves the same way or do they have good round steaks?

The good thing is that you recognize that he is not producing the quality that you want. You aren't looking at him through rose colored glasses.

 

[glacierridge]

Runty calves make me

There was one bull that we had 4 calves from 5 units from select sires, and all the calves were runty and went to slaughter.
They grew so slow.
They had nice shape, but that's not worth much to me if they won't grow beef for me.

Sorry you aren't happy with his calves.

 

[Putangitangi]

...On another note, he looks like he has bottle jaw, caused by internal parasites, here I would have guessed liverfluke. If he shows clinical signs you can bet your bottom dollar others will also be infested.

I thought that too. Clinical signs in this case might be his lack of condition?

 

[fitz]

Took these today. He is picking up weight. Not a bad picture. Feel absolutely free to say what ever you want. I will provide absolute amnesty in advance. What you say don't make him one speck better or worse, does it??? I am not too happy with his calves. I am thinking about selling him this fall. He is gentle. He is the easiest one I have to work through the chute.
His grandpa is B/R New Frontier 095, His dad is LJ New Frontier 0714

Sell him.

fitz

 

[inyati13]

He has what my daughters call "cat hams". You know how when you look at a cat's profile, the cat is straight from the base of it's tail to it's hocks. No meat. It may be the angle of the photo, but he does not seem to have much expression of muscle through his back quarter.
Are his calves the same way or do they have good round steaks?

The good thing is that you recognize that he is not producing the quality that you want. You aren't looking at him through rose colored glasses.

chippie, you are dead on. I see this bull from arms reach. He is just skinny butted to my eye. Not much muscle like I see in the stock I have accumulated from the Rocking P folks. The muscles stand out in them. His calves of course look like him. I am fond of him but I am fond of nice big weaning calves too.

 

[glacierridge]

Just curious, what does his hind end look like from straight on?
I would like to see how much width is there.

Can you get some pics of that for us?

 

[inyati13]

Putangitangi and KNERSIE, I don't think he has parasites. I treat my cattle at least twice per year and on occasion if ones in the chute, they may get 3 treatments per year. I use on an alternating basis, pour on and injectable. I also alternate between brands. I will check his Individual Treatment Sheet tomorrow to make sure he has not been missed.

I have more experience than the average person with parasites. I have had several Invertebrate Zoology classes including Medical and General Parasitology. Liver flukes in cattle are Fasciola hepatica.

Just of interest to some, KNERSIE is in a part of the world just north of him where another genus of trematode, Schistosoma, commonly known as blood-flukes cause a condition in humans called bilharzia. The medical term is schistosomasis, and is considered by the World Health Organization as the second most socioeconomically devastating parasitic disease, next only to malaria.

UPDATE Not likely to be liver flukes. Based on a very quick check of google data on Fasciola hepatica in cattle. Kentucky did not come up. Found that the Gulf Coast States, NW States, and Northern States are where it occurs in the US. The snail that is the intermediate host for the intermediary phases of Fasciola hepatica require a wet climate. My land is well drained (in fact you might say it is steep). Maybe Lucky_P can say if he has seen any clinical cases in KY.

 

[inyati13]

Just curious, what does his hind end look like from straight on?
I would like to see how much width is there.

Can you get some pics of that for us?

Anne, he has a shinny butt like me no matter how you take the picture. :lol:

 

[Isomade]

He has nice shaped ears.

 

[inyati13]

I will say this. He is calving ease so far. Real easy births. Small heads and low BW

 

[3waycross]

Putangitangi and KNERSIE, I don't think he has parasites. I treat my cattle at least twice per year and on occasion if ones in the chute, they may get 3 treatments per year. I use on an alternating basis, pour on and injectable. I also alternate between brands. I will check his Individual Treatment Sheet tomorrow to make sure he has not been missed.

I have more experience than the average person with parasites. I have had several Invertebrate Zoology classes including Medical and General Parasitology. Liver flukes in cattle are Fasciola hepatica.

Just of interest to some, KNERSIE is in a part of the world just north of him where another genus of trematode, Schistosoma, commonly known as blood-flukes cause a condition in humans called bilharzia. The medical term is schistosomasis, and is considered by the World Health Organization as the second most socioeconomically devastating parasitic disease, next only to malaria.

UPDATE Not likely to be liver flukes. Based on a very quick check of google data on Fasciola hepatica in cattle. Kentucky did not come up. Found that the Gulf Coast States, NW States, and Northern States are where it occurs in the US. The snail that is the intermediate host for the intermediary phases of Fasciola hepatica require a wet climate. My land is well drained (in fact you might say it is steep). Maybe Lucky_P can say if he has seen any clinical cases in KY.

:tiphat: Now that's a collection of 3 dollar words if i ever saw one

 

[Balin' Wire]

Don't post much because the obvious things are already posted but in this case (you asked for opinions and I don't want to hurt your feelings but...) This bull looks like a cow. Where's is his butt? I would not expect him to produce good off-spring. Even a heifer bull has a butt.

 

[KNERSIE]

Stop guessing let a good experienced large animal vet analyze a fecal sample and adjust parasite program accordingly.

 

[inyati13]

Stop guessing let a good experienced large animal vet analyze a fecal sample and adjust parasite program accordingly.

That is good direction. Real data to evaluate my parasite program. Thanks.

 

[ga.prime]

Putangitangi and KNERSIE, I don't think he has parasites. I treat my cattle at least twice per year and on occasion if ones in the chute, they may get 3 treatments per year. I use on an alternating basis, pour on and injectable. I also alternate between brands. I will check his Individual Treatment Sheet tomorrow to make sure he has not been missed.

I have more experience than the average person with parasites. I have had several Invertebrate Zoology classes including Medical and General Parasitology. Liver flukes in cattle are Fasciola hepatica.

Just of interest to some, KNERSIE is in a part of the world just north of him where another genus of trematode, Schistosoma, commonly known as blood-flukes cause a condition in humans called bilharzia. The medical term is schistosomasis, and is considered by the World Health Organization as the second most socioeconomically devastating parasitic disease, next only to malaria.

UPDATE Not likely to be liver flukes. Based on a very quick check of google data on Fasciola hepatica in cattle. Kentucky did not come up. Found that the Gulf Coast States, NW States, and Northern States are where it occurs in the US. The snail that is the intermediate host for the intermediary phases of Fasciola hepatica require a wet climate. My land is well drained (in fact you might say it is steep). Maybe Lucky_P can say if he has seen any clinical cases in KY.

Spotted a grammatical error. Just saying.