Angus bull

[lithuanian farmer]

Your thoughts about this Angus bull.
http://www.universalsemensales.com/node/9927
We've 4 his sons daughters. One already had 2 calves, others should have their first calves next year. Looking to calves this bull gives some muscle for calves.
His son is Saler x Angus cross.
Maybe somebody've tried this bulls semen?

 

[Black and Good]

I like the look of the bull. I'm surprised he has an 8 CED #. With a BW # of +4.4??

 

[animalsci2011]

Hey black and Good I was wondering the same thing. The only animals I have ever seen out of him weren't that good but I wouldn't personally breed him to anything I ever own. Seems like there has been some number manipulation going on there. A lot of No Assistance being marked. Just my thoughts though so who knows.

 

[W.B.]

Known to sire good dispositions, progeny have lots of hair. In his hay day was the leader of the carcass revolution in the Angus breed. Daughters were hard keepers as a rule. More frame than most current sires. Generally would improve feet and legs.

 

[lithuanian farmer]

A couple of his son daughters.
28 months old heifer in calf. Out of 1/2 BB cow.

24 months old heifer, still not bred. Dam 1/2 BB cow.

 

[Chuckie]

On the 8 CED with the BW of 4.4, it may be coming through the Leachman side. Some of the Leachman bulls had long sloping shoulders, but had narrower chest floors which made their legs not stand out at the corners of their chest. The sloping shoulders made it easy for the calves legs to extend easily coming through the birth canal, and the set of the legs from the shoulders didn't hang so that they slid out like slippery little minnows. I am not so hung up on the BW being below 2. The 8 tells me that he is doing a good job in that department. If you are running cows and bring in heifers occasionally, I would not hesitate to bring him in personally. That is just my opinion. You can keep a record of when he breeds your heifers and stay with them if it is possible if they are small. Your cattle looked larger than Angus if I remember correctly. I still have had heifers to have heavy weight calves and they had them without problems.
Chuckie.

 

[lithuanian farmer]

We've one his son's daughter already cow, the 2nd calver and she probably is the easiest calver. This year she'd 99lbs heifer calf, calved very fast and easy.
We make record of every cow or heifer when she is bred and when she should have a calf, of course if we see when she is cycling, because during summer they're with bull and just 4 now is AI'ed. Also we go everyday to cattle's pastures and always see if cow or heifer is going to calve.
we try to bred heifers just when they're about 1100lbs, but usually they're heavier, for example, this year from 11 heifers just 2 should weigh about 1100lbs, while others are heavier- about 1300lbs, a few the heaviest ones about 1430lbs. Last year we've sold to slaughter 6 heifers: the youngest 24 months( she's calved at 20 months, but calf was dead, so she wasn't the heifer) weight 1146lbs, 25 months old heifer( out of cow which produced slow growing calves which usually looked more like half dairy than 3/4 beef, so we've sold her last year too)-1200lbs,28 months old heifer- 1448lbs, 26months old heifer-1430lbs, 32 months old heifer( she spent the whole summer with bull, but still didn't get in calf)- 1418lbs, 26 months old heifer-1314lbs.
We don't really worry about how our bigger heifers'll calve, because one is AI'ed by Angus, others still growing and will be bred by Limousine bull.
One funny thing is that usually our heifers like to have as heavy calves as cows have, even if they've Angus calves.

 

[Chuckie]

I am now seeing the post about the bull, 9927. Have you got any pictures of his offspring? It is interesting to see what kind of traits a bull passes to his calves.

The way you are keeping up with your records is the correct way to do it. It is the only way you can see which cows are making money. So many people have no ID tags on cattle nor on the calves, and too many in a pasture to know what calve goes with what cow. You may see the two together for a minute, but when they all run together in a lot, 50-60 cows with calves look just a like if you haven't been keeping up with them.
Chuckie

 

[lithuanian farmer]

No, we've used just his son Sandas( out of Salers cow). We're happy about all calves of him. Good slaughtering results, gentle, fast growing, daughters easy calving and produce muscular calves even if calves sire isn't( we've one last year bull which looks much better than his sire).
It's necessary to tag calves and register them in one week in my country. We've almost all different colours cows, so it's usually not hard to decide who is dam because of coat colour, but sometimes it's impossible, like one this year, we couldn't imagine that black cow could have a white calf.

 

[Chuckie]

Sounds like the "White Buffalo" movie. Yikes! Is it a bull?

 

[lithuanian farmer]

That white bull calf dam is black 3/4 Limousine cow, sire's photo I've posted a couple of months ago, his colour is closer to silver than white and he was half Angus, so we were almost sure that cow'll produse black calf. She always produced just black calves.
This year we mostly have calves with unusual colours or with coulours between their dam's and sire's. A few weeks ago one brown white-faced 1/2 Hereford cow had dark grey bull calf. The same is with calves horns. Sire was hornless, but this year some calves have horns while their mums don't, and some are hornless while dams have horns.