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RD-Sam

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What do you guys think of this bull, I am thinking about using him with one of my cows?
 
Something about his back end just doesn't look right - it doesn't match the front end's muscleing....to me
 
TNMasterBeefProducer":1u60h2wy said:
K2011":1u60h2wy said:
Something about his back end just doesn't look right - it doesn't match the front end's muscleing....to me
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I agree. I cant quiet put my finger on it but he looks mis proportioned.
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I think its mostly his length fooling you. I kinda like the looks of him. He's black and he has a butt.
 
K2011":2lrksvnt said:
Something about his back end just doesn't look right - it doesn't match the front end's muscleing....to me
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I never was very good at talking reasons,but I would like to see a little more junk in the trunk.
 
I would like to see more rear, but fully agree it could be the length fooling me. As much as you can tell from a picture (which is the thread where this bull started!!) he seems fine - certainly a better looking bull than ss objective from the picture and a better bull than that grand champion of a few thread earlier.
 
EAT BEEF":2iwc4l6i said:
K2011":2iwc4l6i said:
Something about his back end just doesn't look right - it doesn't match the front end's muscleing....to me
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I never was very good at talking reasons,but I would like to see a little more junk in the trunk.
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I agree, but he is far better than some other anguses on here, and he is a long bull with strong top line.
 
I think that if you sucked that extra skin up he would look more proportional... That with how long he is may be what makes him look a little odd in the picture but thats just my opinion... But I would definately use him!
 
He is a little coarse looking from the photo. But he could be that he has some age to him. Just a little too unrefined and sloppy overall in my opinion. I like a tighter skinned animal. He also has a long neck with a deep chest which detracts from the masculinity.
 
YUP! Way out of balance. His offspring may look like beefalo's. Just way too much up front and lacking in the hind. For the size of the bull he even looks a bit fine boned. I do not think I could breed to him even if he had the most superior EPD's, dollar values, and pedigree in the breed.
 
He is about 2 1/2 in the picture, and no it wasn't doctored up. I have seen him up close and he was an inpressive bull. If his rear is lacking a little, and I am not saying it is, would you think it may be a good breeding if the cow has alot of rump and the bulls in the line breeding had plenty of rump?
 
If you've seen him in person, that says more than a picture can say. Generally speaking, based on feedback other bulls have received on this board, he got better than average feedback which is actually a good sign. An angus bull is never going to be a limi bull but a limi bull is never going to be an angus and no bull is ever perfect.
 
RD-Sam":121idzb1 said:
He is about 2 1/2 in the picture, and no it wasn't doctored up. I have seen him up close and he was an inpressive bull. If his rear is lacking a little, and I am not saying it is, would you think it may be a good breeding if the cow has alot of rump and the bulls in the line breeding had plenty of rump?
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Um, maybe if they are clean fronted and not waisty looking.
 
I decided to use him. These numbers may help put him in perspective a little better.

ACTUAL PERFORMANCE
BW: 79
Adj. WW: 964
Adj. YW: 1530
15 Mo. Weight: 1670
SC: 38 cm
UREA: 17.8
Marb.: .20
 
RD-Sam":30up6fyn said:
I decided to use him. These numbers may help put him in perspective a little better.

ACTUAL PERFORMANCE
BW: 79
Adj. WW: 964
Adj. YW: 1530
15 Mo. Weight: 1670
SC: 38 cm
UREA: 17.8
Marb.: .20
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What is it you want to acomplish by using him?
 
RD-Sam":2o2k7es2 said:
I decided to use him. These numbers may help put him in perspective a little better.

ACTUAL PERFORMANCE
BW: 79
Adj. WW: 964
Adj. YW: 1530
15 Mo. Weight: 1670
SC: 38 cm
UREA: 17.8
Marb.: .20
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Okay, Sam, you made a decision. Why? Perhaps you can give us some PRACTICAL justifications for your decision without stating your ultimate GOALS for the progeny! I don't see any specifics on his ancestors (EPD's on Growth, Maternal, Carcass, Ultrasound, or ANY $Values). Are you assuming performance by what his close ancestors LOOK LIKE? Good ...rumps? :???: How do HIS EPD's combine with those of the single cow to whom you are breeding him? To my observation, there is no question but what he is out of balance phenotypically, which indicates to me that his progeny will be somewhat the same way, - - - UNLESS the cow is capable of counterbalancing those negative characteristics with her EPD's and phenotype.

Sam, several of the bulls that I reviewed with you via PM's over several weeks of discussions would perform in a much more PRACTICAL manner than what you have selected here - BUT - it is your decision, and after all, PRACTICALITY seems to be what you are focusing on most - - - at the moment.

DOC HARRIS
 
Hi Doc, Yes I do think the cow may offset his short coming, or more so the line breeding. I also don't think that picture does him alot of justice, for one, with his rear leg moved forward like that it would give the impression of less muscling since the leg is extended forward. I am reluctant to post his name since some have commented negatively on him.

I will say that this breeding would be a double line breeding on V D A R New Trend 315, and D H D Traveler 6807, both stable EPD's. Third generations in both bull and cow.

I would just like to try the breeding and see what it gets me, if it doesn't produce what I am looking for I will try something else next time. I would hope for a heifer to keep from this breeding. :) I need to put something in the freezer soon anyway, if it's not a keeper I could sure some beef! :lol:
 

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