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<blockquote data-quote="farmerjan" data-source="post: 1565427" data-attributes="member: 25884"><p>Branded; I am just a commercial, mixed group of cows, breeder that needs the cows to calve yearly and produce decent saleable feeders. We do not have near the nice calves that some of the others on here do. I do a little AI, and we do try to buy good sound functional purebred bulls to use. We run a fair number of cows and have many smaller rented places where we have a bull with the cows at each. We try to do some rotational grazing where ever we have the fences to do it. I have some dairy influenced cattle and have a a few jersey and guernsey cows that I milk and raise calves on as nurse cows. </p><p>I think you are getting way too bent out of shape on some of the comments some of the others make. You jump up and have to have the last word everytime, when someone makes some comments that you should just let roll off your back. You don't need to get your back up so much. It is nice that you are so passionate about your cattle. And God bless you that you are trying stuff that many others would not/do not do. But you don't need to make a snarky comment to everything that others say. The one that wanted to see the feet and a different angle of his butt was just asking for that. You take your answers to extreme, and get sarcastic back.</p><p> </p><p>This is just my observation from reading and following some of the threads. You obviously do have some knowledge and are using it the way you see fit. I personally don't know or care about some of the bloodlines you keep spouting off. They might be the next best thing for the angus breed. But, unless there is the market for that, and there isn't here in this part of Va for the average commercial breeder, we care about calves that are sound functional and uniform. That is harder when you have a mixed herd of cows. So prepotency in the bull is of greater interest, and then ability to function on grass, and fescue is a big factor here.</p><p> </p><p>We specifically bought a bull last year, from a farm that advertises and promotes their animals abilities to produce on fescue. He is in with about 35 cows and we will see what we get out of the cows and how the calves do. If there are females that seem to do good, they will be retained. We need bulls that do not get creep feed and can grow on their momma's milk. Yes we feed once they are weaned. I do a little creep feeding, twice a week of about 1-2 lbs grain to the calves on the first calf heifers, to teach them to come into the pen so they are more handleable. But we don't creep feed per se. Cows do not get fed grain except as a treat once a week or so. Keeps them coming to call, makes it easier to handle them when they come in and we don't have to chase them. A couple of 5 gal buckets of feed to 20-40 cows is not exactly "feeding them". We cull out the ones that cannot keep their weight, and the ones that raise mediocre or worse, crappy calves. By the time we are ready to wean calves, they are ready to come in the pens with their momma's and know what some feed is for. And they will go right to the bunk once weaned. </p><p></p><p>I am glad that there are people who raise purebred cattle, and produce some bulls for sale. We need them. But many of us are not interested in the "next best" or the first of this bloodline in this area. We want animals that have some background behind them, as having fathers, sons, brothers, that have produced under our area conditions. Us little guys who are not going to spend 10-50,000 for a bull, but have a budget of 2-5,000 and want a bull that is going to be around for a good number of years. And yes, when we buy a bull, he hopefully will be here for an average of 5-8 years.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="farmerjan, post: 1565427, member: 25884"] Branded; I am just a commercial, mixed group of cows, breeder that needs the cows to calve yearly and produce decent saleable feeders. We do not have near the nice calves that some of the others on here do. I do a little AI, and we do try to buy good sound functional purebred bulls to use. We run a fair number of cows and have many smaller rented places where we have a bull with the cows at each. We try to do some rotational grazing where ever we have the fences to do it. I have some dairy influenced cattle and have a a few jersey and guernsey cows that I milk and raise calves on as nurse cows. I think you are getting way too bent out of shape on some of the comments some of the others make. You jump up and have to have the last word everytime, when someone makes some comments that you should just let roll off your back. You don't need to get your back up so much. It is nice that you are so passionate about your cattle. And God bless you that you are trying stuff that many others would not/do not do. But you don't need to make a snarky comment to everything that others say. The one that wanted to see the feet and a different angle of his butt was just asking for that. You take your answers to extreme, and get sarcastic back. This is just my observation from reading and following some of the threads. You obviously do have some knowledge and are using it the way you see fit. I personally don't know or care about some of the bloodlines you keep spouting off. They might be the next best thing for the angus breed. But, unless there is the market for that, and there isn't here in this part of Va for the average commercial breeder, we care about calves that are sound functional and uniform. That is harder when you have a mixed herd of cows. So prepotency in the bull is of greater interest, and then ability to function on grass, and fescue is a big factor here. We specifically bought a bull last year, from a farm that advertises and promotes their animals abilities to produce on fescue. He is in with about 35 cows and we will see what we get out of the cows and how the calves do. If there are females that seem to do good, they will be retained. We need bulls that do not get creep feed and can grow on their momma's milk. Yes we feed once they are weaned. I do a little creep feeding, twice a week of about 1-2 lbs grain to the calves on the first calf heifers, to teach them to come into the pen so they are more handleable. But we don't creep feed per se. Cows do not get fed grain except as a treat once a week or so. Keeps them coming to call, makes it easier to handle them when they come in and we don't have to chase them. A couple of 5 gal buckets of feed to 20-40 cows is not exactly "feeding them". We cull out the ones that cannot keep their weight, and the ones that raise mediocre or worse, crappy calves. By the time we are ready to wean calves, they are ready to come in the pens with their momma's and know what some feed is for. And they will go right to the bunk once weaned. I am glad that there are people who raise purebred cattle, and produce some bulls for sale. We need them. But many of us are not interested in the "next best" or the first of this bloodline in this area. We want animals that have some background behind them, as having fathers, sons, brothers, that have produced under our area conditions. Us little guys who are not going to spend 10-50,000 for a bull, but have a budget of 2-5,000 and want a bull that is going to be around for a good number of years. And yes, when we buy a bull, he hopefully will be here for an average of 5-8 years. [/QUOTE]
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