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<blockquote data-quote="shmac84" data-source="post: 972198" data-attributes="member: 19816"><p>For clarification about the difference between a breed line and a name, in regards to the Super X <u>LINE</u>, in the Jorgensen program from my understanding they occasionally assign a special name to sires that have gained distinction in their herd, some follow the sires name and some like Super X and Eldorado do not. From this individual bull they propagate a line crossing him on the base herd of Band/Rito/Skylandmere cows and whatever lines that had been started prior to the Super X, then recrossing the sons and daughters to stack the bulls influence. The original Super X bull was bred at Sunny Slope in Minnesota, and was from Jorgensen Bloodlines, and his influence found its way back to the Jorgensen Program. In the case of the supposed Bandolier line, instead of the Traveler or Band line, if you were following your rigid definition you would realize that the true line name would be Evader or Bardolier, or Marshall, or even Jock if you took it far enough back, either way in the definition of a sire line it has to start somewhere. I personally feel like Traveler by now could be considered a line due to the concentration of his influence in several pedigrees that continue to use the Traveler name, not just by paternal heritage. I think you have to pick your battles, is it worth creating an enemy of someone that has asked a question to build constructive knowledge. This is counterproductive to the purpose of a forum, of which is designed to expand knowledge, not to gripe and moan incorrectly about how someone has stated their question or their definitions. As for the Super X cattle I cannot really say much about, although I can speak for the Jorgensen Program, they are true breeders in every since of the word, they improve from within by using mostly their own breeding. We have recently returned to using the 1418 bull heavily in a program in which I consult for. Their goal is to make females that are moderate in frame, pounds efficient, reproductively sound, with acceptable carcass merit. We used 1418 because I really liked what he did on 6807 daughters which is the type and kind of cattle that we are building off of. The Jorgensen cattle are known for feed conversion and carcass merit, as well as their milking ability. The few critiques that I have heard, mostly of the Band derivitive cattle is that you can reduce scrotal circumference and put a shallow heel if you stack this line without discretion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shmac84, post: 972198, member: 19816"] For clarification about the difference between a breed line and a name, in regards to the Super X [u]LINE[/u], in the Jorgensen program from my understanding they occasionally assign a special name to sires that have gained distinction in their herd, some follow the sires name and some like Super X and Eldorado do not. From this individual bull they propagate a line crossing him on the base herd of Band/Rito/Skylandmere cows and whatever lines that had been started prior to the Super X, then recrossing the sons and daughters to stack the bulls influence. The original Super X bull was bred at Sunny Slope in Minnesota, and was from Jorgensen Bloodlines, and his influence found its way back to the Jorgensen Program. In the case of the supposed Bandolier line, instead of the Traveler or Band line, if you were following your rigid definition you would realize that the true line name would be Evader or Bardolier, or Marshall, or even Jock if you took it far enough back, either way in the definition of a sire line it has to start somewhere. I personally feel like Traveler by now could be considered a line due to the concentration of his influence in several pedigrees that continue to use the Traveler name, not just by paternal heritage. I think you have to pick your battles, is it worth creating an enemy of someone that has asked a question to build constructive knowledge. This is counterproductive to the purpose of a forum, of which is designed to expand knowledge, not to gripe and moan incorrectly about how someone has stated their question or their definitions. As for the Super X cattle I cannot really say much about, although I can speak for the Jorgensen Program, they are true breeders in every since of the word, they improve from within by using mostly their own breeding. We have recently returned to using the 1418 bull heavily in a program in which I consult for. Their goal is to make females that are moderate in frame, pounds efficient, reproductively sound, with acceptable carcass merit. We used 1418 because I really liked what he did on 6807 daughters which is the type and kind of cattle that we are building off of. The Jorgensen cattle are known for feed conversion and carcass merit, as well as their milking ability. The few critiques that I have heard, mostly of the Band derivitive cattle is that you can reduce scrotal circumference and put a shallow heel if you stack this line without discretion. [/QUOTE]
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