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<blockquote data-quote="capt" data-source="post: 230136" data-attributes="member: 3759"><p>It seems to me Australian Cattleman that your question has not really been answered so I will offer my opinion in the spirit of what Doc Harris suggests. I have seen a lot of progeny of 1407 in many different herds and here is my statement on what he does well and what he does not do well. Those using 1407 will most likely see small calves born easily not weighing very much (60-80 lbs). Somewhere between 60 and 90 days of age you will think to yourself, "where did those tiny frail looking babies go and where did this sudden onset of growth come from?" About weaning time you will like what the scale says and probably not what your eyes see. Heavy calves that are weak topped, poorly constructed hind legs and hip. Come yearling time they have not changed much for phenotype (still weak topped with too much hind leg set and slope to the hip), but they will be considerably heavier. The heifers will all breed fairly well and come calving time for them will calve easily with small b irth weight calves of their own. THEN you will notice what some people seem to think as holstein influence. MILK, MILK, MILK and then some more milk. The yearling bulls will not look like much but will have been born small, grew fast and scanned way bigger REA's than seem possible by looking at them and really solid IMF numbers. If anyone out there can not see some truth to this please let me know, because it seems to me that you have identified an outlier to what the (average) 1407 is. I amnot trying to be sarcastic or anything other than laying out there what my honest experience with 1407 has been. I will not use him anymore, but have found a son that is not (to use Doc Harris' term) a funnel butt. Time will tell if he breeds like what he is and performed like or if he breeds like his sire. His dam is an awesome cow that has a butt on her unlike any Angus cow I have seen. Not trying to promote, again just giving eveidence that while I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT like 1407 and what he has made, I could not stay away from what he does do well. I simply held out for what he does well in a more phenotypically appealing package. That all being said, I hope I helped Australian CAttleman make a decision or understand what 1407 is and does.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="capt, post: 230136, member: 3759"] It seems to me Australian Cattleman that your question has not really been answered so I will offer my opinion in the spirit of what Doc Harris suggests. I have seen a lot of progeny of 1407 in many different herds and here is my statement on what he does well and what he does not do well. Those using 1407 will most likely see small calves born easily not weighing very much (60-80 lbs). Somewhere between 60 and 90 days of age you will think to yourself, "where did those tiny frail looking babies go and where did this sudden onset of growth come from?" About weaning time you will like what the scale says and probably not what your eyes see. Heavy calves that are weak topped, poorly constructed hind legs and hip. Come yearling time they have not changed much for phenotype (still weak topped with too much hind leg set and slope to the hip), but they will be considerably heavier. The heifers will all breed fairly well and come calving time for them will calve easily with small b irth weight calves of their own. THEN you will notice what some people seem to think as holstein influence. MILK, MILK, MILK and then some more milk. The yearling bulls will not look like much but will have been born small, grew fast and scanned way bigger REA's than seem possible by looking at them and really solid IMF numbers. If anyone out there can not see some truth to this please let me know, because it seems to me that you have identified an outlier to what the (average) 1407 is. I amnot trying to be sarcastic or anything other than laying out there what my honest experience with 1407 has been. I will not use him anymore, but have found a son that is not (to use Doc Harris' term) a funnel butt. Time will tell if he breeds like what he is and performed like or if he breeds like his sire. His dam is an awesome cow that has a butt on her unlike any Angus cow I have seen. Not trying to promote, again just giving eveidence that while I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT like 1407 and what he has made, I could not stay away from what he does do well. I simply held out for what he does well in a more phenotypically appealing package. That all being said, I hope I helped Australian CAttleman make a decision or understand what 1407 is and does. [/QUOTE]
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