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<blockquote data-quote="Jobulls" data-source="post: 986595" data-attributes="member: 20026"><p>Taurus pulled an interesting move in turning a private message public, but to each his own.</p><p></p><p>As for the message that he posted, my point is that Angus and Hereford crosses do extremely well on our range. It might be different for others, but they work well for breeders in the West, especially when mixed with a terminal cross. </p><p></p><p>As for the question above about why black over red, it is so you can satisfy the Certified Angus Beef program, which does not necessarily have anything to do with being Angus. The requirements are that the animal be 51% Black and :</p><p></p><p>Modest or higher degree of marbling</p><p>Medium or fine marbling texture</p><p>"A" maturity</p><p>10 to 16 square-inch ribeye area</p><p>Less than 1,000-pound hot carcass weight</p><p>Less than 1-inch fat thickness</p><p>Moderately thick or thicker muscling</p><p>No hump on the neck exceeding 5 cm (2")</p><p>Practically free of capillary rupture</p><p>No dark cutting characteristics.</p><p></p><p>That is the same reason they have taken most of the other breeds Black. Obviously there are advantages with using Herefords. There are a lot of them in the U.S. Many keep saying there are better breeds. That is all relative. Many breeders are using Herefords. I am sure many people said, " why do we need a Black Simmental," a few years ago. Now look at the breed. No one questions the gene pool or quality.</p><p></p><p>The real question is why not turn the Hereford black? The Association is not closed. It is constantly ingesting new Hereford and Angus genetics. In fact it wants members to use more and more of the Hereford lines, but does want members to be selective for other traits besides color. My uncle and I go back and forth on this same subject. My uncle has 30 to 40 head of red bulls for sale if you are set on red. I will have 40 to 50 head of black bulls for sale next year if you want black. Similar lines, but different colors. </p><p></p><p>As stated above, the Hereford and Angus cows work well for us. I am not advocating that they work well for everyone. You should use whatever works for your situation. There is no perfect breed. Most breeds have some advantage or they would not be around. One interesting note is that this same discussion happened in the Hereford industry when they introduced polled cattle. Now polled Herefords are accepted. You can write what you want, but I think the Black Herefords will follow a similar path.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jobulls, post: 986595, member: 20026"] Taurus pulled an interesting move in turning a private message public, but to each his own. As for the message that he posted, my point is that Angus and Hereford crosses do extremely well on our range. It might be different for others, but they work well for breeders in the West, especially when mixed with a terminal cross. As for the question above about why black over red, it is so you can satisfy the Certified Angus Beef program, which does not necessarily have anything to do with being Angus. The requirements are that the animal be 51% Black and : Modest or higher degree of marbling Medium or fine marbling texture "A" maturity 10 to 16 square-inch ribeye area Less than 1,000-pound hot carcass weight Less than 1-inch fat thickness Moderately thick or thicker muscling No hump on the neck exceeding 5 cm (2") Practically free of capillary rupture No dark cutting characteristics. That is the same reason they have taken most of the other breeds Black. Obviously there are advantages with using Herefords. There are a lot of them in the U.S. Many keep saying there are better breeds. That is all relative. Many breeders are using Herefords. I am sure many people said, " why do we need a Black Simmental," a few years ago. Now look at the breed. No one questions the gene pool or quality. The real question is why not turn the Hereford black? The Association is not closed. It is constantly ingesting new Hereford and Angus genetics. In fact it wants members to use more and more of the Hereford lines, but does want members to be selective for other traits besides color. My uncle and I go back and forth on this same subject. My uncle has 30 to 40 head of red bulls for sale if you are set on red. I will have 40 to 50 head of black bulls for sale next year if you want black. Similar lines, but different colors. As stated above, the Hereford and Angus cows work well for us. I am not advocating that they work well for everyone. You should use whatever works for your situation. There is no perfect breed. Most breeds have some advantage or they would not be around. One interesting note is that this same discussion happened in the Hereford industry when they introduced polled cattle. Now polled Herefords are accepted. You can write what you want, but I think the Black Herefords will follow a similar path. [/QUOTE]
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