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<blockquote data-quote="Double R Ranch" data-source="post: 1839959" data-attributes="member: 411"><p>The first red flag was the breeder couldn't catch them in near a week. Of course I wasn't told until I'd driven a days drive in winter weather to see them. On under 100 acres this blew my mind. These cattle are supposed to be docile and easy to work with. I saw signs of bad feet in younger stock. It was hard to see the feet though in deep snow. I was told they are very sensitive with strangers. That seemed like another red flag for me. Some of the herd had their heads up high with the high ears and took off for the far side of their pasture. I really was trying to trust the breeder. When I got a few picked out I really felt like I should have left with an empty trailer. Unfortunately for us I did pick up a few and when I took them to the vet to get their transport papers they were wild as could be. By this time it was pretty much too late to back out. 99% are quite standoffish. 1 ended up being returned. She was down right dangerous. Kicked the snot out of my trailer. Destroyed the footing in my corrals (now cow belly deep mud) and charged us a few times. She even sees us from far away and would start quivering and pacing the corral pushing on the panels looking for a way out. Thankfully I never let her out of the corral or I have no doubt we would have been chasing her for miles. So all that to say, bad feet and wild temperament are the biggest concerns. I have always culled hard for temperament and honestly only 1 (yes 1) has a decent temperament. I am waiting for their registration papers to be sent but I suspect putting them in peoples freezers would be the best for everyone. Some are pregnant so that adds another delay in a decision. I really just want them all gone honestly. Docility is one of their claims to fame and that is absolutely NOT what we are experiencing. This is not a new breeder either. Thanks for the response. </p><p></p><p>That's what we were told. On the temperament I agree except they all seem to be on the hotter side. That's why I was asking here. Everyone here is usually pretty honest either way. I want to be sure it is just this experience and not the breeds fault. I spoke to another breeder last week in another state and they don't have any full bloods anymore and did say they have some they cull for their temperament. I've hesitated to reach out to other breeders because they seem to figure out who these came from. They are a known breeder. I don't want to bad mouth them I am just so frustrated with the entire situation. </p><p></p><p>That is the reason we got some. Seemed like having some would be good for those customers that can't handle a full size Angus. Thank you for the info. Very helpful. </p><p></p><p>The handling is what I was "hoping" I was seeing. Well lack of I guess. I was hoping they would settle in and calm down with regular care. So far only 1 has. There definitely is a genetic factor involved here. I have no doubt about that anymore. Thanks for the response.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Double R Ranch, post: 1839959, member: 411"] The first red flag was the breeder couldn't catch them in near a week. Of course I wasn't told until I'd driven a days drive in winter weather to see them. On under 100 acres this blew my mind. These cattle are supposed to be docile and easy to work with. I saw signs of bad feet in younger stock. It was hard to see the feet though in deep snow. I was told they are very sensitive with strangers. That seemed like another red flag for me. Some of the herd had their heads up high with the high ears and took off for the far side of their pasture. I really was trying to trust the breeder. When I got a few picked out I really felt like I should have left with an empty trailer. Unfortunately for us I did pick up a few and when I took them to the vet to get their transport papers they were wild as could be. By this time it was pretty much too late to back out. 99% are quite standoffish. 1 ended up being returned. She was down right dangerous. Kicked the snot out of my trailer. Destroyed the footing in my corrals (now cow belly deep mud) and charged us a few times. She even sees us from far away and would start quivering and pacing the corral pushing on the panels looking for a way out. Thankfully I never let her out of the corral or I have no doubt we would have been chasing her for miles. So all that to say, bad feet and wild temperament are the biggest concerns. I have always culled hard for temperament and honestly only 1 (yes 1) has a decent temperament. I am waiting for their registration papers to be sent but I suspect putting them in peoples freezers would be the best for everyone. Some are pregnant so that adds another delay in a decision. I really just want them all gone honestly. Docility is one of their claims to fame and that is absolutely NOT what we are experiencing. This is not a new breeder either. Thanks for the response. That's what we were told. On the temperament I agree except they all seem to be on the hotter side. That's why I was asking here. Everyone here is usually pretty honest either way. I want to be sure it is just this experience and not the breeds fault. I spoke to another breeder last week in another state and they don't have any full bloods anymore and did say they have some they cull for their temperament. I've hesitated to reach out to other breeders because they seem to figure out who these came from. They are a known breeder. I don't want to bad mouth them I am just so frustrated with the entire situation. That is the reason we got some. Seemed like having some would be good for those customers that can't handle a full size Angus. Thank you for the info. Very helpful. The handling is what I was "hoping" I was seeing. Well lack of I guess. I was hoping they would settle in and calm down with regular care. So far only 1 has. There definitely is a genetic factor involved here. I have no doubt about that anymore. Thanks for the response. [/QUOTE]
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