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<blockquote data-quote="Nesikep" data-source="post: 796177" data-attributes="member: 9096"><p>well, here's my opinion of those 3 guys... they're all factory farms, some just on a small scale</p><p></p><p>My opinion is that if a farm is a self sustaining unit, in feed, fertility, etc, it will be naturally balanced, and thus should produce a higher quality product</p><p></p><p>this goes for grain farmers as well... dairies, chicken/egg places, hogs.. </p><p>what is happening is that the fertility of vast areas of land is being exported to small places that have an excess of fertility now, which causes groundwater polution, etc, and marketing boards are definitely to blame as well</p><p></p><p>if prairie farmers used 30% of land for grain, and 70% of it for forages, rotating the areas, growing however many chickens, pigs and cows as his acreage can sustain, he would first and foremostly be less dependent on fertilizers, he would also have a diversified product line which may never make big money, would be pretty economically resilient to market changes... we all know what happens when the price of corn goes up... cow prices go down</p><p></p><p>Of course there are disadvantages to this, the most glaring is it's a lot of work, but condisering the unemployment rates, if people are willing to live a modest life, a farm should be able to support a couple families... not everyone can have every new toy and pay 800 bucks for a blasted Iphone</p><p>On the subject of expenses, such an operation requires a lot more machinery as well, though smaller than if it was all in 1 type of crop... I can speak from experience here, I think we have about 70 pieces of machinery on our place of just 160 acres if you include 3 point hitch and drawbar equipment.. I think about 25 engines to be maintained... here's a shortlist</p><p>5 tractors from 20-90 HP</p><p>approximately 20 different cultivators, harrows, chisel plows, etc</p><p>1 carrot digger, 2 potato diggers, 1 combine (3ft swath)</p><p>1 brillion seeder, 1 stanhay (vegetable) seeder, 1 grain seeder, 1 broadcast/cylcone seeder</p><p>standard list of haying equipment</p><p>1 track loader with backhoe, 1 bulldozer with winch</p><p>then the chainsaws, lawnmowers, etc etc etc</p><p>the newest equipment we have is 30 years old, with most pushing 50 years</p><p></p><p>all in all... we survive</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nesikep, post: 796177, member: 9096"] well, here's my opinion of those 3 guys... they're all factory farms, some just on a small scale My opinion is that if a farm is a self sustaining unit, in feed, fertility, etc, it will be naturally balanced, and thus should produce a higher quality product this goes for grain farmers as well... dairies, chicken/egg places, hogs.. what is happening is that the fertility of vast areas of land is being exported to small places that have an excess of fertility now, which causes groundwater polution, etc, and marketing boards are definitely to blame as well if prairie farmers used 30% of land for grain, and 70% of it for forages, rotating the areas, growing however many chickens, pigs and cows as his acreage can sustain, he would first and foremostly be less dependent on fertilizers, he would also have a diversified product line which may never make big money, would be pretty economically resilient to market changes... we all know what happens when the price of corn goes up... cow prices go down Of course there are disadvantages to this, the most glaring is it's a lot of work, but condisering the unemployment rates, if people are willing to live a modest life, a farm should be able to support a couple families... not everyone can have every new toy and pay 800 bucks for a blasted Iphone On the subject of expenses, such an operation requires a lot more machinery as well, though smaller than if it was all in 1 type of crop... I can speak from experience here, I think we have about 70 pieces of machinery on our place of just 160 acres if you include 3 point hitch and drawbar equipment.. I think about 25 engines to be maintained... here's a shortlist 5 tractors from 20-90 HP approximately 20 different cultivators, harrows, chisel plows, etc 1 carrot digger, 2 potato diggers, 1 combine (3ft swath) 1 brillion seeder, 1 stanhay (vegetable) seeder, 1 grain seeder, 1 broadcast/cylcone seeder standard list of haying equipment 1 track loader with backhoe, 1 bulldozer with winch then the chainsaws, lawnmowers, etc etc etc the newest equipment we have is 30 years old, with most pushing 50 years all in all... we survive [/QUOTE]
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