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<blockquote data-quote="NEFarmwife" data-source="post: 1543726" data-attributes="member: 26897"><p>Lets keep this going. I think there is a lot of discussion to be had on EPD's alone. We had to change our entire thought process when we chose to finish out. Not just chasing $B but still having quality replacements and wanting the most out of our dollar.</p><p></p><p>So the $W value is as a whole, what the sire is expected to bring into its progeny, growth minus inputs. A cow/calf operation is certainly going to flourish from a $90+ value and I don't argue that's not exceptional. But some of his carcass isn't the best. I.E. right now we're looking at our registered herd, knowing we have to add some high marbling genetics to our herd. </p><p></p><p>But having switched to our finishing them, I look at the end result. Our buyers, wether it be at weaning or finishing... want good carcass grades. We've had buyers in the past be repeat because of our scores. Buying ours, not someone else's. Now we've cut out that middle man but those grades are still important. </p><p></p><p>If one fails to see the importance of the end result, will they lose a potential buyer? For a premium? </p><p></p><p>I'd be interested in hearing from CAB folks. We aren't. </p><p></p><p>If you were to take these two sires and do finished, who has the better hand? And if you and I each sold progeny of each sire and the same feedlot finished these out... which do you think they'd want to buy more from in the future? </p><p></p><p>I'm not trying to argue, nor "win" this discussion. I'm genuinely picking brains. I'm quite surprised at the number of cattlemen who know nothing about EPDs and how resourceful they can be as a tool.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NEFarmwife, post: 1543726, member: 26897"] Lets keep this going. I think there is a lot of discussion to be had on EPD’s alone. We had to change our entire thought process when we chose to finish out. Not just chasing $B but still having quality replacements and wanting the most out of our dollar. So the $W value is as a whole, what the sire is expected to bring into its progeny, growth minus inputs. A cow/calf operation is certainly going to flourish from a $90+ value and I don’t argue that’s not exceptional. But some of his carcass isn’t the best. I.E. right now we’re looking at our registered herd, knowing we have to add some high marbling genetics to our herd. But having switched to our finishing them, I look at the end result. Our buyers, wether it be at weaning or finishing... want good carcass grades. We’ve had buyers in the past be repeat because of our scores. Buying ours, not someone else’s. Now we’ve cut out that middle man but those grades are still important. If one fails to see the importance of the end result, will they lose a potential buyer? For a premium? I’d be interested in hearing from CAB folks. We aren’t. If you were to take these two sires and do finished, who has the better hand? And if you and I each sold progeny of each sire and the same feedlot finished these out... which do you think they’d want to buy more from in the future? I’m not trying to argue, nor “win” this discussion. I’m genuinely picking brains. I’m quite surprised at the number of cattlemen who know nothing about EPDs and how resourceful they can be as a tool. [/QUOTE]
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