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<blockquote data-quote="Lucky_P" data-source="post: 1246908" data-attributes="member: 12607"><p>Maybe I misunderstood milkmaid's intent...I thought she was looking for a 'terminal' type sire...</p><p></p><p>We initially introduced Shorthorn into our breeding program for 'maternal' traits...but the steer performance has been so impressive, compared to what we were getting with Angus sires...that we're principally looking at Shorthorn as a 'terminal' cross, for production of feeder calves.</p><p>Hadn't looked at Gauge since SS picked him up... his numbers have changed some...when he first came out, his MCE was so abysmally below breed average that there was no way I'd ever have considered using him with the intent of keeping daughters. </p><p>Yes, Patent 8161 has a -1 Milk epd... but coming out of HO/JE/HO-JE crosses... Milk should not be a concern. Milk is not a 'maternal' trait...it's a production trait with a feed cost associated with it. Even in my own herd...ANxSimAngus...with some cows having some Holstein several generations back...I select for sires with lower milk epds, if all other aspects are acceptable. I don't need or want more Milk.</p><p></p><p>Really like cbcr's recommendation of Fleckvieh...Sold a batch of Holstein heifers with strong Red Holstein influence, bred to a polled Fleckvieh sire, back in 1990... sure would have liked to have seen those calves.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lucky_P, post: 1246908, member: 12607"] Maybe I misunderstood milkmaid's intent...I thought she was looking for a 'terminal' type sire... We initially introduced Shorthorn into our breeding program for 'maternal' traits...but the steer performance has been so impressive, compared to what we were getting with Angus sires...that we're principally looking at Shorthorn as a 'terminal' cross, for production of feeder calves. Hadn't looked at Gauge since SS picked him up... his numbers have changed some...when he first came out, his MCE was so abysmally below breed average that there was no way I'd ever have considered using him with the intent of keeping daughters. Yes, Patent 8161 has a -1 Milk epd... but coming out of HO/JE/HO-JE crosses... Milk should not be a concern. Milk is not a 'maternal' trait...it's a production trait with a feed cost associated with it. Even in my own herd...ANxSimAngus...with some cows having some Holstein several generations back...I select for sires with lower milk epds, if all other aspects are acceptable. I don't need or want more Milk. Really like cbcr's recommendation of Fleckvieh...Sold a batch of Holstein heifers with strong Red Holstein influence, bred to a polled Fleckvieh sire, back in 1990... sure would have liked to have seen those calves. [/QUOTE]
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