Actions and Consequences

[Jogeephus]

Several years ago a fella that I don't think to much of blind sided another man with a hammer nearly killing him. Because the hammer yielder's daddy had some political pull he didn't go to jail and all this was swept under the rug and the judge got a new boat or something. The hammer recipient pulled through but lost his eye from the injury and hasn't been exactly right ever since. Just last week this fella made a turn and ran over and killed an elderly woman on one of those Rascal things. The guy did not see her cause she was on his blind side and he is really torn up about it and I wonder whether he will be able to live with what he accidently did. I can't help but think that he is blameless and the hammer boy indirectly killed this woman. What do you think? (I've admitted I don't like hammer boy so I'm definitely biased and maybe I should just be content in knowing that hammer boy recently lost a fist fight with three deputies armed with tazers) BTW - he's known as Taz now. Either way, I think the chain of events shows there are consequences associated with our actions whether we see them or not.

 

[Angus Cowman]

JO
IMO I think hammerboy should be liable but in the way our justice system works he isn't
I feel sorry for the guy who killed the lady and it is a tragic accident that may have been avoided if Hammerboy hadn't done what he done yrs ago, Hopefully oneday he will get his just reward

 

[jedstivers]

Sounds as of S. GA would be better off if hammerboy was to accidently fall in the Flint river while feeding the gators.

 

[dieselbeef]

well i hope the law gave him a good workin ove for fightin back..as for the blind guy...maybe he oughtta wait for the hammer guy to cross the street..

im sorry but id have accidentally gotten even right quick...just enough s maybe he couldnt walk or somethin

someone oughtta do somethin..maybe it was the same bunch o cops...thats a big problem in this country right now...nobody gets to git even anymore

 

[dun]

If he couldn;t see well enough to drive safely why was he driving at all?

 

[Ryder]

Jogeephus, once again you make a good point, as you so often do, concerning consequences. But the missing information here is 'why did hammer boy take a hammer to the other person'?
Did the guy need hammering? Or was hammer boy just mean? What was the motive?

 

[Jogeephus]

Jogeephus, once again you make a good point, as you so often do, concerning consequences. But the missing information here is 'why did hammer boy take a hammer to the other person'?
Did the guy need hammering? Or was hammer boy just mean? What was the motive?

From what I'm told the incident stemmed from a fight where Tazz was running his mouth and I think there was a girl involved too. Anyhow Tazz got his but whooped. So to settle the score Tazz snuck up behind the fella a week or so later and clocked him with the hammer hard enough to knock his eye out and make him a little slow whitted.

If he couldn;t see well enough to drive safely why was he driving at all?

I ask myself the same thing about some other people I know who are legally blind but have licenses. I don't know about having one eye though. Not sure if this should keep someone from driving. I guess another question would be is it safe to allow these scooters on the roadways when there are sidewalks they could use? Lots of questions and food for thought but definitely one of those things you don't want to have to think about or make rulings on.

 

[Angus Cowman]

About a yr ago here a man in his mid 50s was riding one of them scooters another man was sitting at the stop light waiting to turn right the scooter guy had drove up on the right side of this guy in the truck and when the driver turned right ran over the scooter which he couldn't see the scooter rider was injured but not to seriously luckily
the driver wasn't ticketed but the scooter driver was because he had driven into the same lane as the truck and put himself in that situation, he got a C&I and had to pay for damages on the truck because he was at fault

if they are on the roadway they have to obey the same laws as other vehicles

 

[Jogeephus]

AC, that is almost exactly how this happened but instead of a stop sign it was a yield sign on a state highway. I am told that a scooter is considered a pedestrian and has the right of way but the scooter has every right to use the road rather than the sidewalk. The whole thing is just terrible and it touches on some issues that are touchy and don't have easy solutions. I do think for the safety of everyone the sidewalks should be used whenever possible and I think lights should be required after dark - if they are going to be on the road.

 

[dun]

AC, that is almost exactly how this happened but instead of a stop sign it was a yield sign on a state highway. I am told that a scooter is considered a pedestrian and has the right of way but the scooter has every right to use the road rather than the sidewalk. The whole thing is just terrible and it touches on some issues that are touchy and don't have easy solutions. I do think for the safety of everyone the sidewalks should be used whenever possible and I think lights should be required after dark - if they are going to be on the road.

That's where you start to get into the difference in state laws. You can drive a motorized wheel chair on the sidewalks around here but a scooter has to be on the road. It's considered a motor vehicle while a wheel chair isn;t

 

[Angus Cowman]

AC, that is almost exactly how this happened but instead of a stop sign it was a yield sign on a state highway. I am told that a scooter is considered a pedestrian and has the right of way but the scooter has every right to use the road rather than the sidewalk. The whole thing is just terrible and it touches on some issues that are touchy and don't have easy solutions. I do think for the safety of everyone the sidewalks should be used whenever possible and I think lights should be required after dark - if they are going to be on the road.

They don't allow them on the sidewalks around here and they are required to have lights if used after dark

 

[john250]

If I ran over someone I know I'd feel guilty, whether I had one eye or three. I hope the guy handles it OK.

 

[Jogeephus]

If I ran over someone I know I'd feel guilty, whether I had one eye or three. I hope the guy handles it OK.

Same here. I have a friend who knows him well and he told me he is not handling it well at all and doesn't think he will be able to carry this cross.

I think the whole thing is terrible and hate that the guy is having to deal with something like this after all he has had to live with. I do think our state gov't is going to have to address this in the future. I know it will be one of those no win issues and political suicide but I do think with the ever increasing numbers of scooters some common sense safety issues need to be addressed. For one, I think wherever possible the scooter should be able to use the sidewalk. I mean, if my mother had one I'd rather pay the fine for her riding on the sidewalk than knowing she was out on a state highway.

 

[dun]

In the late 30s a kid ran out in front of my dads car and he hit him. Didn;t really hurt him much but till dad died in 78 it still bothered him alot.

 

[Jogeephus]

Stuff like that will mark you deeply and it can be a heavy burden to carry. They say you are never given a cross heavier than you can bear but there were two instances in my life where I seriously doubted this. I don't know. I guess I feel empathy for the man and feel sorry for him and what I imagine he is going through. I guess this is why I want to blame Tazz. I do hope they rethink the safety of these vehicles for everyone's sake.