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<blockquote data-quote="elkwc" data-source="post: 1129025" data-attributes="member: 22295"><p>Jake I respect your opinion but disagree. Adjusted weights and EPD's doesn't give a true comparison. Sadly when adjusting is started then pencil whipping follows many times. I recently looked a set of bulls at a sale. The adjusted 365 days weights were many times 100-150 lbs heavier than their actual 365 day weight. Their ratios and EPD's looked great. When I sell a commercial calf at the sale barn I sell it by actual weight. I can't sell by adjusted weight. The point behind adjusted weights might be good but sadly they are being abused. Take BW for another example. I have seen several bulls touted at heifer bulls by their BW EPD's. But if you find out their actual BW it may be over 80 lbs. I've seen several of those that were sold as heifer bulls by their BW EPD's that consistently sire calves in the mid 80's. For me if I'm buying a heifer bull I want to know the actual BW. I could care less about an adjusted weight. The same with a YW. Give me the actual weight. I'm good at math and it isn't hard to compare a bull that weighed 1100 to one that weighed 1150 at 365 days. If they want to provide both that is fine. But perosonally I will never purchase another bull where the breeder doesn't provide actual BW's, WW's and YW's. To me the adjusted numbers and ratios are like you said just pretty numbers that it the real world are nothing more than fluff. When I feed a calf in the feedyard I deal with real numbers. Actual gain and actual cost of gain. That determines if I make any money or not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="elkwc, post: 1129025, member: 22295"] Jake I respect your opinion but disagree. Adjusted weights and EPD's doesn't give a true comparison. Sadly when adjusting is started then pencil whipping follows many times. I recently looked a set of bulls at a sale. The adjusted 365 days weights were many times 100-150 lbs heavier than their actual 365 day weight. Their ratios and EPD's looked great. When I sell a commercial calf at the sale barn I sell it by actual weight. I can't sell by adjusted weight. The point behind adjusted weights might be good but sadly they are being abused. Take BW for another example. I have seen several bulls touted at heifer bulls by their BW EPD's. But if you find out their actual BW it may be over 80 lbs. I've seen several of those that were sold as heifer bulls by their BW EPD's that consistently sire calves in the mid 80's. For me if I'm buying a heifer bull I want to know the actual BW. I could care less about an adjusted weight. The same with a YW. Give me the actual weight. I'm good at math and it isn't hard to compare a bull that weighed 1100 to one that weighed 1150 at 365 days. If they want to provide both that is fine. But perosonally I will never purchase another bull where the breeder doesn't provide actual BW's, WW's and YW's. To me the adjusted numbers and ratios are like you said just pretty numbers that it the real world are nothing more than fluff. When I feed a calf in the feedyard I deal with real numbers. Actual gain and actual cost of gain. That determines if I make any money or not. [/QUOTE]
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