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<blockquote data-quote="Sage" data-source="post: 333684" data-attributes="member: 5352"><p>I was but just can't let the BS thing go (Dun & Pure Country) but I hope an individule would do their own research and not take what is said here as gospel.</p><p></p><p>Pelvic area and scrotal cir have a small relationship .04</p><p>Pelvic area and Yearling Wt have a high relationship .57</p><p>Pelvic area and BW are only slightly related .13</p><p>Pelvic area is highly heritable .40-.60</p><p></p><p>For the most part selecting for low BW also lowers YW, there are some animals this is not the case but as a general rule I hope it can be accepted that the majority of bulls are not true curve benders. </p><p></p><p>I personally have AI'd heifers that the "BW game" absolutly devistated a herd in less than 7 generations, pelvic measurements were so small the largest calf would have to be <60lb(according to rice pilvimeter area/calf wt information).</p><p>The owners of these heifers later told me that they buy a bull for thier heifers and the same bul stays with them for the next several breedings, they changed thier breding criteria abruptly.</p><p></p><p>I have selected brutally for our own replacements and bull use and I expect any of our cows(3yrs or older) to give birth to 90+ lb calves without assistance and this has been very bennificial for our program and we do not have dystocia problems.</p><p></p><p>Sorry to steal the thread, I said before I like Norsman, he is not perfect but bred right he can sire some fantastic calves. CETM could be better as hind quarter muscle but remember EPD's are a tool not gospel either. And "with all do respect "if you don't agree thats fine but tell why with facts not that it's BS.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sage, post: 333684, member: 5352"] I was but just can't let the BS thing go (Dun & Pure Country) but I hope an individule would do their own research and not take what is said here as gospel. Pelvic area and scrotal cir have a small relationship .04 Pelvic area and Yearling Wt have a high relationship .57 Pelvic area and BW are only slightly related .13 Pelvic area is highly heritable .40-.60 For the most part selecting for low BW also lowers YW, there are some animals this is not the case but as a general rule I hope it can be accepted that the majority of bulls are not true curve benders. I personally have AI'd heifers that the "BW game" absolutly devistated a herd in less than 7 generations, pelvic measurements were so small the largest calf would have to be <60lb(according to rice pilvimeter area/calf wt information). The owners of these heifers later told me that they buy a bull for thier heifers and the same bul stays with them for the next several breedings, they changed thier breding criteria abruptly. I have selected brutally for our own replacements and bull use and I expect any of our cows(3yrs or older) to give birth to 90+ lb calves without assistance and this has been very bennificial for our program and we do not have dystocia problems. Sorry to steal the thread, I said before I like Norsman, he is not perfect but bred right he can sire some fantastic calves. CETM could be better as hind quarter muscle but remember EPD's are a tool not gospel either. And "with all do respect "if you don't agree thats fine but tell why with facts not that it's BS. [/QUOTE]
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