skyeagle
Well-known member
Any body want to bet? Without a doubt we"ll see 3.00 gas &
3.25 diesel By Easter.
3.25 diesel By Easter.
Regular gas here is $4.77 a gallon,and premium is $5.22 a gallon.
skyeagle":8wc25ym4 said:Whats the next excuse to raise the price.
Dave":345gt7co said:I hear the other day that Brazil is now energy independant. They fuel everything with ethanol made from sugar. They started down that road in the 70's and have now done it. You know we can sure out farm Brazil. But big business (oil and auto) isn't interested changing so the government isn't going to move that way.
Dave
OK Jeanne":fv60846q said:There's a discussion going on at the petro traders
message board concerning the potential of the usa
to "fuel itself". Here's one excerpt, and the link
is below this quote:
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" Any biomass solution (if one exists) is subject to how much can be grown per capita on the available land area.
For a “World” calculation, we have 6.5 billion people and a world land area of 57,393,000 square miles for an average of 113 people per square mile. There are 640 acres per square mile which reduces to 5.7 acres per person.
For a “U.S.” calculation, we have 300 million people and a U.S. land area of 3,537,438 square miles for an average of 84.81 people per square mile. This reduces to 7.5 acres per person. The 3,537,438 square miles includes Alaska and a lot of other areas that are not going to produce much in the way of biomass.
Virtually all of our good farmland is already being used to grow the food we eat. If we are going to grow biomass, the only land left is marginal at best when it comes to growing anything. The high yield numbers that are bandied about for corn, switchgrass, etc. are the yields that you might get if you used good farmland. Good farmland is already being used for our food supply. The land that is left is not going to produce anything close to the high yields that everyone dreams about.
Our standard of living per person is basically total energy produced divided by total population. There isn’t enough land for biomass energy to replace fossil fuel energy. There will be a sharp reduction in either our standard of living or “the denominator” (or both). The “sharp reduction” will begin just a few years down the road and will take several decades to complete."
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