3.00 a gallon by Easter

wish ours was that low, if you convert it into dollars, ours works out at 6.50 a gallon. It is £1.05 a litre. for petrol and £1.95 for diesel. and set to rise in our next budget just after May.
 
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Paid 2.79 this morning for regular unleaded. Why is this happening????? :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
Google the phrase "peak oil"...read, read, read. Try to get
past the human tendency of denial/rejection of logic.
If/when you realize that the "golden age of cheap oil" is
past, then you might want to plant fruit trees, develop
an intense interest in permaculture, and sit down to figure
out just how many head of cattle you can really support
on just your forage.
Good luck. :cry:
 
I hear the other day that Brazil is now energy independant. They fuel everything with ethanol made from sugar. They started down that road in the 70's and have now done it. You know we can sure out farm Brazil. But big business (oil and auto) isn't interested changing so the government isn't going to move that way.

Dave
 
There's a discussion going on at the petro traders
message board concerning the potential of the usa
to "fuel itself". Here's one excerpt, and the link
is below this quote:


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" Any biomass solution (if one exists) is subject to how much can be grown per capita on the available land area.

For a “World” calculation, we have 6.5 billion people and a world land area of 57,393,000 square miles for an average of 113 people per square mile. There are 640 acres per square mile which reduces to 5.7 acres per person.

For a “U.S.” calculation, we have 300 million people and a U.S. land area of 3,537,438 square miles for an average of 84.81 people per square mile. This reduces to 7.5 acres per person. The 3,537,438 square miles includes Alaska and a lot of other areas that are not going to produce much in the way of biomass.

Virtually all of our good farmland is already being used to grow the food we eat. If we are going to grow biomass, the only land left is marginal at best when it comes to growing anything. The high yield numbers that are bandied about for corn, switchgrass, etc. are the yields that you might get if you used good farmland. Good farmland is already being used for our food supply. The land that is left is not going to produce anything close to the high yields that everyone dreams about.

Our standard of living per person is basically total energy produced divided by total population. There isn’t enough land for biomass energy to replace fossil fuel energy. There will be a sharp reduction in either our standard of living or “the denominator” (or both). The “sharp reduction” will begin just a few years down the road and will take several decades to complete."


http://tinyurl.com/nc7e4
 
Dave":345gt7co said:
I hear the other day that Brazil is now energy independant. They fuel everything with ethanol made from sugar. They started down that road in the 70's and have now done it. You know we can sure out farm Brazil. But big business (oil and auto) isn't interested changing so the government isn't going to move that way.

Dave

The problem here is cost, people are complaining about prices. I believe only until recently over the last year or so when oil has gotten so expensive would it be cost effective for ethanol. And that is probably why more is being done about it now. But in past oil was to cheap for ethanol to be cost effective. There is other pluses to it such as money staying in America rather than going over seas. But just because we get lots of our fuel from Corn would not mean it would be cheaper! I believe it is even more expensive to get from corn vs sugar.

Kind of like the Hybrid band wagon. Hybrids will not save you any money in the end. They cost more in the end to own, they might help with the Global Warming Farce but not for a family to save money at the end of the year.
 
OK Jeanne":fv60846q said:
There's a discussion going on at the petro traders
message board concerning the potential of the usa
to "fuel itself". Here's one excerpt, and the link
is below this quote:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
" Any biomass solution (if one exists) is subject to how much can be grown per capita on the available land area.

For a “World” calculation, we have 6.5 billion people and a world land area of 57,393,000 square miles for an average of 113 people per square mile. There are 640 acres per square mile which reduces to 5.7 acres per person.

For a “U.S.” calculation, we have 300 million people and a U.S. land area of 3,537,438 square miles for an average of 84.81 people per square mile. This reduces to 7.5 acres per person. The 3,537,438 square miles includes Alaska and a lot of other areas that are not going to produce much in the way of biomass.

Virtually all of our good farmland is already being used to grow the food we eat. If we are going to grow biomass, the only land left is marginal at best when it comes to growing anything. The high yield numbers that are bandied about for corn, switchgrass, etc. are the yields that you might get if you used good farmland. Good farmland is already being used for our food supply. The land that is left is not going to produce anything close to the high yields that everyone dreams about.

Our standard of living per person is basically total energy produced divided by total population. There isn’t enough land for biomass energy to replace fossil fuel energy. There will be a sharp reduction in either our standard of living or “the denominator” (or both). The “sharp reduction” will begin just a few years down the road and will take several decades to complete."


http://tinyurl.com/nc7e4

This is simply big oil propaganda. Instead of exporting millions upon millions of tons of corn every year and importing millions and millions of gallons of oil. We can turn every $2 bushel of corn into 2.9 gallons of ethanol. You do the math $2 of corn makes well over $7.00 worth of gas. Big oil can say what they want but the proof is in the ag exports if all of our usable land is being used to produce the food we eat where do the ag exports come from a magic lamp.
 

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