24 Hours Ago......

Hasbeen

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.....I was enjoying my venture into the cattle business. My eight heifers were doing well, I had been reading all the advise I was seeing on this board and making plans, my cattle were gentle and easy to work. Night before last we had a minor flood and a section of fence washed away. Although it was in a remote section that the cows don't use this time of year, they still managed to find it and got out. Still no big problem, they didn't go far and I was able to lead them back in with the feed bucket. I repaired the fence and went on in to work.
Yesterday afternoon, I got a call that they were back out. I immediately left work and went to the farm and found an open gate right next to where I had repaired the fence. This gate had not been used since last summer and I remember looking to see that it was closed but did not go over to look at the chain that locks it because I had not opened it. I don't know if the cows forced it open or if someone had come thru and not latched it, but it seems ok now.
This time they were gone. I tracked them over a mile through the woods and swamp with thigh deep mud until I found them at farm were two older ladies keep a few head of dairy cows and the biggest Gernsey bull I've ever seen. I was able to round them up easily and with me and the bucket in front and my oldest son bring up the rear, had very little problem leading them back thru the woods to home. All but one. About a 1/4 mile into the trip she broke away and ran back. This surpised me because usually if I can get one going they all go. About this time I realized what was going on (of course she was in heat), but had to continue on with the other seven. I put them in the pasture and secured the gate and went back for the other. When we got there she was standing at the fence trying to woo that big old bull. When I approached she ran back into the woods. Realizing there was no way I was going to be able to walk her back, I called a friend who has trailer to come load her. When she didn't show for a while I hoped maybe she had given up and gone home. I instructed my son to wait for the trailer and I set off through the woods again. Soon after I started darkness settled in and not having a light with me I stumbled about with the briars tearing at my face and unable to pick my path, thru deep mud that sucked the boots right off my feet. Getting to the point, she doubled back and in the darkness no one saw her jump the fence and get with the bull until it was too late. Now, call me what you want, but I'm not going into a dark pasture and try to separate a scared heifer in heat from a ton bull that I've never seen before, so I talked to the owner and we just left her there for night. This evening my friend with the hauler will me there after he gets off work and we'll try it again. This morning I called in that I would be late and took another son to the farm with me to help stretch wire across the creek so the remaining cows cant get into the pasture that I had problems with. We finished around noon and I'm back to work for a couple of hours.
Now I have a bred hiefer pregnant with a calf that will be far too big for her to have. How was your day? :(
 
Also, now everyone is telling me that I've got to get a bull now which is completely against my plans. I had wanted to wait until May if I didn't decide to go the AI route. Plus, I've read on here that 8 cows may not be enough to keep a bull happy and at home and if he finds out about that bunch of dairy cows.....
 
Give her a shot of LUTALYSE in a few days and abort the calf. you may have to wait two weeks? Does anyone know?
Lost in a swamp at night without a light. Been there and done that. I hope you are ok.
 
Yea cows new to a pasture are prone to "explore"...specially young ones.

I used to have problems like that more often than I care but now I've got some older cows in the herd and they know all the pastures and seem to keep the young ones home better.

I wouldn't be too quick to call them fence jumpers yet IMO.

They are new to the place and lacking older cows to keep them in check. Give them a chance to settle in.
 
Not sure that would help in my case. I feed and check them every day from 4:30 until dark. No one can watch them 24 hrs a day.
I'm wondering about this. I won a calf a short time ago at a charity function. Wasn't really wanting to win, just helping out the cause. Anyway, they delivered about a week ago and turns out it is about a 500 lb. Charlais bull calf. He's too small to do anything to my heifers, so I thought I would keep him a couple of weeks and then take him to the sale. I wonder if he's the one that has put these notions in the girls' head. No problem before he arrived, and he'll be sent packing Saturday morning.
 
A shot of Lutalyse about a week from now (any sooner and it won't work) will cause that heifer to return to heat, effectively aborting any pregnancy. Problem solved - so long as the heifer doesn't repeat last night's escapade. :shock: :lol:
 
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I would probably make the call based on this.....

Are they going through otherwise good fence? or are they escaping through openings?

It seems to me he lost some fence to flood and had an open gate....not really his fault but not the heifers either.

If I find a heifer who "jumps" an otherwise good fence then I send her down the road....if its my fault or bad fence then I don't blame the animal.
 
Is any of your fence electrified? Your pastures aren't that big, and wire and insulators are pretty reasonable, you can get a really nice fencer for about $100, as long as you have some juice available. Might be the little bit of inhibitor they need.
 
I wasn't clear, in my last post I was referring to hiring a sitter.

I definitely plan to go the abortion route, wasn't sure what was available and I plan to call the vet tommorow when I have some time.
 
Hasbeen, sorry about the rough night/day. As others have stated, give that heifer a shot of Lutelyse and abort that calf. 2nd, I would take no chances with that Charolaise bull calf. He may be only 5oo lbs, but some have been known to be able to breed at that size.
3rd, don't give up. It will get better. This is all part of the game, and the learnign process. Just think, you're creating memories and future advise to future newbies.
Good luck.

Katherine
 
:lol: :lol:

I sorry, Has, but I'm laughing only because your story is all too familar. It sounds like our experiences. Welcome to the cattle business!! :cboy:
:lol:
 
mitchwi":2jqftvub said:
Is any of your fence electrified? Your pastures aren't that big, and wire and insulators are pretty reasonable, you can get a really nice fencer for about $100, as long as you have some juice available. Might be the little bit of inhibitor they need.

Actually, that is the only section of fence that is electrified. They have not crossed it since I repaired it and turned it back on.
As I said earlier, I led them over a mile thru the woods last night with a feed bucket. They have been no problem until yesterday. My concern is that now they no it is possible to get out, and they know where a bull is.
 
Dusty Britches":2wpv0l9m said:
:lol: :lol:

I sorry, Has, but I'm laughing only because your story is all too familar. It sounds like our experiences. Welcome to the cattle business!! :cboy:
:lol:

I don't mind the work and my trek thru the woods last night will be a good story for years to come. My rookie cattle stories were a big hit at my New Years Eve party. My concern is the hassle I've cost these two elderly ladies with the dairy herd and I don't want a repeat of it ever again. That's one of the reasons I'm so worried now about getting a bull. He will do far more damage to their place and their herd than my heifer is doing.
 
Hasbeen":2wvvv277 said:
mitchwi":2wvvv277 said:
Is any of your fence electrified? Your pastures aren't that big, and wire and insulators are pretty reasonable, you can get a really nice fencer for about $100, as long as you have some juice available. Might be the little bit of inhibitor they need.

Actually, that is the only section of fence that is electrified. They have not crossed it since I repaired it and turned it back on.
As I said earlier, I led them over a mile thru the woods last night with a feed bucket. They have been no problem until yesterday. My concern is that now they no it is possible to get out, and they know where a bull is.

If the fencer you have is a Zereba, junk it, (my opinion only) get a good one. See how strong the zap is, maybe you need another ground on it.

to your last question....yes could get out if still weak spots in the fence. In my experience tho it usually isn't the girls looking for the boys as much as the other way around.
 
By the way, I'll be going to get her in an hour or so. How long can she hold the bull's interest? Should it be easier to get her out now?
 
Dusty Britches":11xvepdg said:
:lol: :lol:

I sorry, Has, but I'm laughing only because your story is all too familar. It sounds like our experiences. Welcome to the cattle business!! :cboy
:lol:
ive had good luck like this myself wait till the bad luck hits ;-)
 
I wouldn't be too hard on the gals yet-sounds like they basically got out 1. because the fence was washed out ( I have one washed out right now and it won't get fixed until this weekend plus they're calling for rain again down here 2. the gate was open-you're not sure how it got open. There's a way to make sure it doesn't get open again-we got em all over-chain and lock.

Welcome to the world of cattle. I've been where you are a thousand times over the years. It does get better. Abort that calf and that way you'll be sure your heifer will be ok. I'm not real familiar on Guernseys-I know they're dairy and similar to a Jersey which has small calves but better safe than sorry.

That Char bull may still be able to breed and he may be young but I wouldn't want to breed a heifer to a Char bull. But-you say he's on his way out so you should be fine. Keep us posted.
 
OK everybody, time to go get her. Wish me luck. I'll check in tomorrow and let you know how it turned out. If you don't hear from me you'll know the bull got me. :o :D
Thanks for all the advise and well wishes. My wife's out of town for a couple of days so this is all the sypathy I get.
 
I've been following this post and it sounds like you have enough interest and concern to make it just fine in the cattle business. Cows are not always going to do what you want them to do. In fact, mine seldom do what I want 'em to.

Think of it as a good reason to meet the old ladies/neighbors.

Keep an eye on those heifers. When they start crawling on top of each other, its a good sign they are in the mood to go visiting again.

I am envious of anyone who gets enough rain to take out a fence. I truly wish it would happen to me. Our local records have exceeded all in history including the dustbowl and 50's drought. Its awful. Sunday we got rain and have a chance of it again tomorrow. There's still hope. They are telling me you can buy good hay over in Cleburne, if you are willing to pay $95 a bale.
 
Hasbeen":dy03ipkp said:
My concern is the hassle I've cost these two elderly ladies with the dairy herd and I don't want a repeat of it ever again. That's one of the reasons I'm so worried now about getting a bull. He will do far more damage to their place and their herd than my heifer is doing.

If they've been in the cattle business long, they understand and it's no big deal. At least you are trying. My neighbor won't even do that.

Funny - We tried to get him to help us all summer to fix the fence his bull kept coming through. Finally, we replaced it ourselves and never had any more problems. Of course, about 6 weeks after we fixed it, he moved all of his cattle to a different ranch or sold them. We haven't seen them since.
 

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