22 Mag

[Caustic Burno]

Ammo is still rare as hens teeth and when you find it ridiculous prices.
Pulled the 22 Hornet dies out I can load 100 rounds cheaper than buying 22 mag.
Can buy 50 rounds over the counter Hornet 45 grains for 21 dollars and have a 200 yard gun.
I am to the point of retiring the round for the Hornet and 223.
Really like the reduced report on the Hornet.
A 40 grain hollow point traveling 2800 fps is a bad dude for unwanted's.

 

[jltrent]

http://ammoseek.com/ammo/22-magnum

About the best you can do is 32 cents a round right now and that is plenty high.

 

[Caustic Burno]

http://ammoseek.com/ammo/22-magnum

About the best you can do is 32 cents a round right now and that is plenty high.

That is without shipping as well and you can't reload the little devil makes you half scared to shoot it wondering where your next bullet will come from.

 

[highgrit]

CB, I carry and shoot a 223 daily. I use to carry my hornet but the 223 is just better. IMO
But in all fairness it's probably the rifle, I like my Mossberg MVP Preadtor.

 

[Caustic Burno]

CB, I carry and shoot a 223 daily. I use to carry my hornet but the 223 is just better. IMO
But in all fairness it's probably the rifle, I like my Mossberg MVP Preadtor.

I won't argue that I need to get a suppressor that is the only reason I still favor the Hornet is
volume on the report.

 

[kenny thomas]

CB, I carry and shoot a 223 daily. I use to carry my hornet but the 223 is just better. IMO
But in all fairness it's probably the rifle, I like my Mossberg MVP Preadtor.

I won't argue that I need to get a suppressor that is the only reason I still favor the Hornet is
volume on the report.

Have you priced a suppressor? $400 plus $200 for the permit. I want one bad also,

 

[Caustic Burno]

CB, I carry and shoot a 223 daily. I use to carry my hornet but the 223 is just better. IMO
But in all fairness it's probably the rifle, I like my Mossberg MVP Preadtor.

I won't argue that I need to get a suppressor that is the only reason I still favor the Hornet is
volume on the report.

Have you priced a suppressor? $400 plus $200 for the permit. I want one bad also,

That is my problem can't wrap my head around that for a screw on tube.
My cousin has one and if the hogs are close they will still run from the rifle cycling.

 

[gimpyrancher]

My two favorite rounds. .223 and 22mag. 1-223 rifle, 1-.22 rifle and 1-.22mag rifle. All 3 rifles are threaded and use the same can. One can, three rifles. The cost of the can and gov fees doesn't seem so bad.

 

[MudHog]

For you guys looking at a suppressor, look into an NFA Gun Trust.

If you register the NFA under yourself and you pass away, the NFA item goes back to the government. With an NFA trust, you can legally have trustees (multiple people in legal possession of the NFA item) and dictate who receives possession of the item once you pass and one the list of trustees pass. Beneficiary can even be under 21, they cannot take possession of the NFA item until they turn 21.


An NFA Trust in TX is only around $50 or so. Mine was $325, but that is because good ol' Louisiana still has Napoleonic code in our State laws which dictates how we can actually own our items and I got a lawyer to draw up my Trust.

 

[kenny thomas]

For you guys looking at a suppressor, look into an NFA Gun Trust.

If you register the NFA under yourself and you pass away, the NFA item goes back to the government. With an NFA trust, you can legally have trustees (multiple people in legal possession of the NFA item) and dictate who receives possession of the item once you pass and one the list of trustees pass. Beneficiary can even be under 21, they cannot take possession of the NFA item until they turn 21.


An NFA Trust in TX is only around $50 or so. Mine was $325, but that is because good ol' Louisiana still has Napoleonic code in our State laws which dictates how we can actually own our items and I got a lawyer to draw up my Trust.

Thanks for the info mudhog. Is it the same for a fully auto rifle, pistol, machine gun. Yes I get weird thoughts sometimes.
Gimpy, what brand suppressor do you have. The ones I have been looking at had one for 17 up through 5.7X28 and the bigger one for 223 up to 30-06.

 

[MudHog]

For you guys looking at a suppressor, look into an NFA Gun Trust.

If you register the NFA under yourself and you pass away, the NFA item goes back to the government. With an NFA trust, you can legally have trustees (multiple people in legal possession of the NFA item) and dictate who receives possession of the item once you pass and one the list of trustees pass. Beneficiary can even be under 21, they cannot take possession of the NFA item until they turn 21.


An NFA Trust in TX is only around $50 or so. Mine was $325, but that is because good ol' Louisiana still has Napoleonic code in our State laws which dictates how we can actually own our items and I got a lawyer to draw up my Trust.

Thanks for the info mudhog. Is it the same for a fully auto rifle, pistol, machine gun. Yes I get weird thoughts sometimes.
Gimpy, what brand suppressor do you have. The ones I have been looking at had one for 17 up through 5.7X28 and the bigger one for 223 up to 30-06.

Yep. Once you have a trust setup, you open the doors to ALL NFA items. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

The only downside is you pay the stamp per item. So say you buy a suppressor tomorrow (which it takes roughly 3-4 months for your paperwork to process, so don't get the false statement that you can get one legally in a day), you pay the $200 tax. A month later you decide to buy another one, you pay the $200 tax again. The tax is bascially per NFA item and not a one time thing.

Having your trust also allows you to legally build your own suppressors too and they are very easy to build. The tax still applies if you build your own.

 

[kenny thomas]

Mudhog, I did realize the wait time and also the tax on each item.
How does whoever looks after these things know when someone has died so they can check on the gun/suppressor?

 

[MudHog]

kenny t, I don't know exactly, but public death record to me would play a big part. The ATF could easily get names of people who die and search their database. If a person does file under their own name, then they have to get fingerprinted and the CLEO in their county must sign their application. That may also be record catcher when the person passes away. The biggest thing is being legal after the death of the original purchaser. For all we know, there may not be a formal process, but the fine is pretty steep if caught and would you want your heirs to deal with that problem?

The other plus of a trust is that all persons listed as a trustee can be in legal possession of the NFA item on their own AND the trustees can be any person who can legally own a firearm. Trustees do not have to be family and they do not even have to live in the same state. All trustees do have to sign the trust, so its more feasible for them to be close by so you can get all their signatures.

We all know it happens everyday, someone whos up to a range with a suppressor and people start looking at it and wanting to try it out. If the person who owns the suppressor lets anyone else shoot it they just comitted a crime. Hell, if an owner of a suppressor at a range wants to go to the restroom, that person is by law supposed to bring it with him to the restroom or lock it up some place until the person returns. The person must be in possession at all times or the item must be locked up.

I'm not sure about VT, but here in LA suppressors are legal to hunt with now. Downfall is if you do hunt with a suppressor, your shooting subsonic loads so your traditional range is greatly reduced. Instead of shooting maybe 2800 fps, your now shooting under 1200 fps. You can still suppress supersonic loads, but you will still get the crack when the bullet breaks the sound barrier.


Edited to add: My trust was done via mail and I did not have to go in person. I did have to get it Notorized, so that was the person to person verification point. If you do go with a Trust, I would use a lawyer who has done NFA Trusts before. Not all lawyers do NFA Trusts. www.silencershop.com has a search function for lawyers who setup NFA Trusts so you could check there. My laywer was a one time fee and he helps me ammend my trust (add or remove trustees) at no charge. Each time the trust is ammended, all trustees must resign the trust, so that is where it helps to keep the list of trustees small or the distance close.

Also on an NFA Trust, the Trust maintains a list of inventory. Typically these items are NFA items, but the items can be any serialized firearm which can be a form of estate planning for firearms.

 

[3waycross]

My two favorite rounds. .223 and 22mag. 1-223 rifle, 1-.22 rifle and 1-.22mag rifle. All 3 rifles are threaded and use the same can. One can, three rifles.

The cost of the can and gov fees doesn't seem so bad.[/quote]

Why does it seem reasonable.I am not kocking you but there is nothing reasonble about the gov making up another excuse tax us on a glorified piece of pipe

 

[MudHog]

3way,

The National Firearms Act was enacted back in 1934, so not like this is anything new or recent. Back in 1934, $200 was considered a stiff tax and nobody could really afford to pay the $200 tax for NFA items. I agree, originally it was designed to curtail the sales of NFA items. Nowadays, $200 is minor in comparison to what most folks make or spend on other things in life. Oh yea, the $200 amount was the original amount in 1934 and has never changed.

 

[3waycross]

3way,

The National Firearms Act was enacted back in 1934, so not like this is anything new or recent. Back in 1934, $200 was considered a stiff tax and nobody could really afford to pay the $200 tax for NFA items. I agree, originally it was designed to curtail the sales of NFA items. Nowadays, $200 is minor in comparison to what most folks make or spend on other things in life. Oh yea, the $200 amount was the original amount in 1934 and has never changed.

Even more reason to be PO'd about paying it..........BTW , this is just one more thing that the crooks could have not cared less about. They just built them and used them.

Supressors are the only thing gun related that the Europeans are ahead of us on and it really chaps my butt.

taxtaxtaxtax that's all the b@stards know and they never let up.

 

[gimpyrancher]

For you guys looking at a suppressor, look into an NFA Gun Trust.

Gimpy, what brand suppressor do you have. The ones I have been looking at had one for 17 up through 5.7X28 and the bigger one for 223 up to 30-06.

My NFA trust was $75. Well worth the price.

I bought mine online from Tactical Innovations. It's the TAC. (.22/.22mag, .223 are all 22 caliber so mine will work on all three of my rifles.) However, that was before I got to know my local gun shop owner. In the future, I'll go through them. Shop local when you can.

 

[gimpyrancher]

kenny t, I don't know exactly, but public death record to me would play a big part.

You don't own the NFA items in the trust. You are just the trustee. You name one or more other trustees in the trust set-up. You just name them. A trust never dies. So the NFA items are still okay after your death and are now dealt with by the surviving trustees. The other issue? When you buy an NFA item, only you or someone that is (next to you) with you can use it/them. When the item is in the trust, all the trustees named can use the item even when they are not with you.

My words, but you get the idea.

 

[gimpyrancher]

kenny t, I don't know exactly, but public death record to me would play a big part.

You don't own the NFA items in the trust. You are just the trustee. You name one or more other trustees in the trust set-up. You just name them. A trust never dies. So the NFA items are still okay after your death and are now dealt with by the surviving trustees. The other issue? When you buy an NFA item, only you or someone that is (next to you) with you can use it/them. When the item is in the trust, all the trustees named can use the item even when they are not with you.

Normally when you buy an NFA item, you have to have the local sheriff sign the NFA form you send to the government. With a trust, the sheriff's signature isn't needed.

My words, but you get the idea.

 

[MudHog]

kenny t, I don't know exactly, but public death record to me would play a big part.

You don't own the NFA items in the trust. You are just the trustee. You name one or more other trustees in the trust set-up. You just name them. A trust never dies. So the NFA items are still okay after your death and are now dealt with by the surviving trustees. The other issue? When you buy an NFA item, only you or someone that is (next to you) with you can use it/them. When the item is in the trust, all the trustees named can use the item even when they are not with you.

Normally when you buy an NFA item, you have to have the local sheriff sign the NFA form you send to the government. With a trust, the sheriff's signature isn't needed.

My words, but you get the idea.

Correct on the trust side, but I was answering based on a person buying an NFA item under their own name and not via a trust. If a person was to buy an NFA item under their own name and they passed away, how would the government find out that they passed away and would come looking for the NFA item? My guess was public death records or something with the sheriff being they would have had to get approval from the CLEO to buy the NFA item.