The high selling bulls have been discussed recently. Which bulls do you feel will have the biggest long term (good or bad) impact on the breed? Do you see the 5L bull or others being the high registration bull in the near future?
2006 Red Angus Bulls
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Out of the new bulls that sold this spring. I think the 5L bull(if they get a good photo of him) will be among the most used. ABS knows how to get it done and they have him. Plus he sold for so much and everyone has herd about it. He is also an outcross for the entire breed.
Then I would have to say the high $ Pieper bull. I believe ABS has him too. He has the perfect EPDs and scanned great, and he is also an outcross, but goes back to the great Rebas Robin cowline. I think these 2 will be used the most. I am not saying they are the best by no means, but I think he will be used quite hard.
Then I would hope the bull I posted will be up there a ways, WR Mr. Red Dawg 5335. He scanned the biggest REA ever for the breed and still had a good IMF, he has a low birth and extreme growth and muscle with picture perfect EPDs if you are chasing them. I will be pushing him quite hard next year.
I hope either Advance 121R or a son gets used alot. He will fix alot of the breeds muscle problems. The bull PIE Accelerator that I own was used pretty hard throughout the country this year, maybe he will shine stronger in the future.
I am going to stir some things up here, but I think the bull that is hurting the breed the most now and in the future in my humble opinion is Cherkee Canyon. He has been used harder than any other bull ever in the breed, and he has some huge faults, like feet, udders, and pelvic size. I have seen hundreds of sons and daughters and these problems keep showing up. I am glad I never used him. I saw him at 18 months old and never did care for him. Sorry if I made anyone upset, just my opinion.
Then I would have to say the high $ Pieper bull. I believe ABS has him too. He has the perfect EPDs and scanned great, and he is also an outcross, but goes back to the great Rebas Robin cowline. I think these 2 will be used the most. I am not saying they are the best by no means, but I think he will be used quite hard.
Then I would hope the bull I posted will be up there a ways, WR Mr. Red Dawg 5335. He scanned the biggest REA ever for the breed and still had a good IMF, he has a low birth and extreme growth and muscle with picture perfect EPDs if you are chasing them. I will be pushing him quite hard next year.
I hope either Advance 121R or a son gets used alot. He will fix alot of the breeds muscle problems. The bull PIE Accelerator that I own was used pretty hard throughout the country this year, maybe he will shine stronger in the future.
I am going to stir some things up here, but I think the bull that is hurting the breed the most now and in the future in my humble opinion is Cherkee Canyon. He has been used harder than any other bull ever in the breed, and he has some huge faults, like feet, udders, and pelvic size. I have seen hundreds of sons and daughters and these problems keep showing up. I am glad I never used him. I saw him at 18 months old and never did care for him. Sorry if I made anyone upset, just my opinion.
).RedAngus121
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I agree with everthing you said BRG. I think coleys Mohjito might get used alot because of his actual weights. and his EPDs are also pretty good. I think ABS is getting him?
Jake
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RedAngus121":5bnkp4h4 said:
He's a very attractive bull in person also, very meaty, and easy to handle too.
2 other bulls that will get some use is 4L Super Vision (Genex picked him up) and OHR Dakota Copper 29K(ABS). If you want some performance, these 2 will do alot of good. The dams of these 2 are some of the better cows in the breed.
We've stayed away from Cherokee Cnyn also. Too many things that I don't like. Has anyone seen the high selling Beckton bulls or know their pedigree?
I figure the 5L bull will be used heavily, I hope this crop of high $ bulls turns out better than some other $ bulls like Romeo. His calves looked ok early, but have developed into light muscled, light boned calves at 3 months.
Which is the heaviest muscled bull of the new crop with good udders and feet in his pedigree?
We have a calf from LCB Hoss (Piepers) that is very nice with tons of muscle. I think the Hoss bull may be a sleeper.
I figure the 5L bull will be used heavily, I hope this crop of high $ bulls turns out better than some other $ bulls like Romeo. His calves looked ok early, but have developed into light muscled, light boned calves at 3 months.
Which is the heaviest muscled bull of the new crop with good udders and feet in his pedigree?
We have a calf from LCB Hoss (Piepers) that is very nice with tons of muscle. I think the Hoss bull may be a sleeper.
None of the bulls mentioned here will work in the harder country, except for Dejavu. Daughters will just be too big.
But nobody will use one of Kit's bulls, since Kit's such a poor-sport promoter, so he's out, too.
Cherokee Canyon will go down as a big mistake, but if used correctly on the right cow, there are some granddaughters that will work OK.
I sure don't look for him in a bull, except to avoid him, but he probably won't hurt on the cow side for commercial bulls.
mtnman
But nobody will use one of Kit's bulls, since Kit's such a poor-sport promoter, so he's out, too.
Cherokee Canyon will go down as a big mistake, but if used correctly on the right cow, there are some granddaughters that will work OK.
I sure don't look for him in a bull, except to avoid him, but he probably won't hurt on the cow side for commercial bulls.
mtnman
Good points Mountain Man. Here's another one, are there any lower input, moderate to low bw young bulls out there? I wonder if too many of the new bulls are bred for power? A lot of Red Angus buyers in this area use them to moderate frame and add calving ease or use as heifer bulls. Not knocking the bulls mentioned, just hope there are some up and comers that have more calving ease and moderation. That was why I was asking if anyone knew about the high selling Beckton bulls.
We have the same concerns, BA.
It seems like we never hear too much out of Becktons/ Buffalo Creek in terms of reports.
Maybe a person has to be there to see them.
With the number of bulls they sell, there certainly must be something useful.
How about Croissant, or Lorenzen, Mushrush? What do you hear from those breeders?
mtnman
It seems like we never hear too much out of Becktons/ Buffalo Creek in terms of reports.
Maybe a person has to be there to see them.
With the number of bulls they sell, there certainly must be something useful.
How about Croissant, or Lorenzen, Mushrush? What do you hear from those breeders?
mtnman
Mushrush had a strong sale again, I don't know that they get many bulls used in registered herds. Croissant had a good sale again. I haven't seen his bulls in a couple years. We used to take bulls to a local bull test with him. He had real good cattle at that time, but most of his lines go to Lancer now and I won't use the bull. He has been stressing a more low input approach lately and gives the ME and CED data. His primary selling area is the same as mine, and he is doing a good job of trying to produce the more moderate cattle.
It seems that the Lancer cattle are used heavily by most local breeders. I guess I will remain one of few holdouts on the CCanyons and Lancer F442T's.
LCOC talks a good game, but they seem to change with the wind. We will need another bull next year and will likely go with a Beckton Bull, but I am thinking of looking into the Red Fork Program.
It seems that the Lancer cattle are used heavily by most local breeders. I guess I will remain one of few holdouts on the CCanyons and Lancer F442T's.
LCOC talks a good game, but they seem to change with the wind. We will need another bull next year and will likely go with a Beckton Bull, but I am thinking of looking into the Red Fork Program.
Not knocking those breeders you mentioned, but Lorenzon is the buyer of the high $ Pieper bull, and I am pretty sure Mushrush, Beckton, Buf. Crk. and Croissant are all big Cher Canyon users.
They all are good breeders and use more calving ease genetics.
The comment about none of those bulls will work in hard country, is not quite true. We run our cows out and don't feed in the winter unless to much snow cover. It takes around 22 to 25 acres to run a cow too. It might not be 40 acres, but it is hard & shorter grass country. You just need to make sure that these bulls come from easy keeping, bigger bodied cows. If they don't have the capacity, then no they won't work.
They all are good breeders and use more calving ease genetics.
The comment about none of those bulls will work in hard country, is not quite true. We run our cows out and don't feed in the winter unless to much snow cover. It takes around 22 to 25 acres to run a cow too. It might not be 40 acres, but it is hard & shorter grass country. You just need to make sure that these bulls come from easy keeping, bigger bodied cows. If they don't have the capacity, then no they won't work.
BRG - Have you seen his cattle or know much about the program. I know a lot of people liked his cattle at the Curt Knight dispersal.
We do breed some of our cows for power, but try to keep a lot of calving ease. I do like the looks of your Pieper bull. He would probably work on some of our smaller cows. What was his reg #?
We do breed some of our cows for power, but try to keep a lot of calving ease. I do like the looks of your Pieper bull. He would probably work on some of our smaller cows. What was his reg #?
No I personally haven't seen his cows, just hear alot of good things. I have visited with him in the past and know that he requires easy keeping.
Which Pieper bull are you talking about. The Advance son we got last year or the Atlantic son we got this spring?
Which Pieper bull are you talking about. The Advance son we got last year or the Atlantic son we got this spring?
He was lot 6
PIE Maximizer 5052
Reg. # 1029127
Ya he is pretty darn good. I really like his capacity, length, and top line on him. Plus his scan was really good. I plan on AI'ing around 50 cows to him and let him service around 30. Hopefully we will get around 40 calves so we can get a good idea how he works.
We do have some semen available if you want to try him.
PIE Maximizer 5052
Reg. # 1029127
Ya he is pretty darn good. I really like his capacity, length, and top line on him. Plus his scan was really good. I plan on AI'ing around 50 cows to him and let him service around 30. Hopefully we will get around 40 calves so we can get a good idea how he works.
We do have some semen available if you want to try him.
BRG, by the looks of many of the bulls you mentioned, Accelerator, Advancers, 4L, etc, they sure don't look like they came from cows with any body to them at all.
They all look pretty tubular to me.
Are the pictures of them lying?
They all look pretty tight in the heart, and definately tight in the flank.
I've stayed away from them based on the pictures. Well, that and the numbers for maternal and ME. Nothing I want.
mtnman
They all look pretty tubular to me.
Are the pictures of them lying?
They all look pretty tight in the heart, and definately tight in the flank.
I've stayed away from them based on the pictures. Well, that and the numbers for maternal and ME. Nothing I want.
mtnman
