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<blockquote data-quote="DiamondSCattleCo" data-source="post: 380647" data-attributes="member: 2862"><p>1) Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something you're trying to say here, but I don't think that a calf needs to be born at 50 lbs to be born easy. Quite the opposite in fact. I think the 50 and 60 lb birthweights are a bandaid to cover up that people aren't selecting their cows properly anymore. I see guys with pencil gutted cows wondering why they have large numbers of malpresentations and blaming the bulls for the problems. Maybe they should think about deepening those cows up, giving them some room for the calf to move around. Then they wouldn't need a 50 lb jackrabbit to avoid calving problems. In 30 years, I can count on both hands the number of malpresentations I've had to correct on what I consider "proper" cows. I've seen pictures of some of your cows. I personally wouldn't be at all scared to run a 90 or 100 lb BW bull with smooth shoulders on those cows. They got guts and they got butts. They should move calves with ease.</p><p></p><p>2) I disagree. I calve in February and a hundred lb calf will survive alot longer in cold weather than a 70 lb calf will. He'll also be much better developed when the wet weather hits in April. I see my neighbor stumbling around with NuFlor and Liquimycin in hand come April treating for pneumonia and scours on his light calves, while my "monsters" are content and happy. Same feed, same mineral program, same size of cows, even the same type of cows. And if you like calving on grass in my country in May, the larger calves are better able to resist late May rains as well.</p><p></p><p>3) & 4) I'd say that has more to do with his cow and bull phenotype than it ever has to do with simple birthweight. I've seen some real wrecks at 70 lbs. I've been on the receiving end of them, unfortunately. Back in 98, I bought a coarse shouldered, blunt headed Simm bull and put him on my cows. Average birth weight was 76 lbs, +- 10 lbs, and I pulled 12%. Many of those cows had given birth to 90 and 100 lb calves both before and after that year. So its my experience that cow phenotype, bull phenotype, and calf shape are far and away more important than birthweight ever is.</p><p></p><p>Rod</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DiamondSCattleCo, post: 380647, member: 2862"] 1) Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something you're trying to say here, but I don't think that a calf needs to be born at 50 lbs to be born easy. Quite the opposite in fact. I think the 50 and 60 lb birthweights are a bandaid to cover up that people aren't selecting their cows properly anymore. I see guys with pencil gutted cows wondering why they have large numbers of malpresentations and blaming the bulls for the problems. Maybe they should think about deepening those cows up, giving them some room for the calf to move around. Then they wouldn't need a 50 lb jackrabbit to avoid calving problems. In 30 years, I can count on both hands the number of malpresentations I've had to correct on what I consider "proper" cows. I've seen pictures of some of your cows. I personally wouldn't be at all scared to run a 90 or 100 lb BW bull with smooth shoulders on those cows. They got guts and they got butts. They should move calves with ease. 2) I disagree. I calve in February and a hundred lb calf will survive alot longer in cold weather than a 70 lb calf will. He'll also be much better developed when the wet weather hits in April. I see my neighbor stumbling around with NuFlor and Liquimycin in hand come April treating for pneumonia and scours on his light calves, while my "monsters" are content and happy. Same feed, same mineral program, same size of cows, even the same type of cows. And if you like calving on grass in my country in May, the larger calves are better able to resist late May rains as well. 3) & 4) I'd say that has more to do with his cow and bull phenotype than it ever has to do with simple birthweight. I've seen some real wrecks at 70 lbs. I've been on the receiving end of them, unfortunately. Back in 98, I bought a coarse shouldered, blunt headed Simm bull and put him on my cows. Average birth weight was 76 lbs, +- 10 lbs, and I pulled 12%. Many of those cows had given birth to 90 and 100 lb calves both before and after that year. So its my experience that cow phenotype, bull phenotype, and calf shape are far and away more important than birthweight ever is. Rod [/QUOTE]
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