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Because none of that is predictable in the slightest. It would require the same allele packet for tenderness from all 3 breeds. Each breeding is only a 50% chance to pass on 1 allele of the same gene. If the genes are not the same in all 3 breeds then you just cut out that entire packet. The...

I watched them run 2 really hot youngish highland bulls through the Eugene Livestock Auction. One ended up in the auctioneers booth. I do not know how he didn't kill the auctioneer and the secretary. That was an exciting auction. I imagine they were just never handled.

Do you use F1 bulls in your herd? Do you use F1 bulls from so far away from your herds genetics? Would you put an F1 Charolais/Highlander bull in your program? Would you suggest this person does that with the given information? Do you think purporting an F1 bull is going to help OP or is there...

Thanks for the chuckle. In some breeds those words are interchangeable. In others there is a definite delineation. In fact I accidently found out that the angus association is quite adamant about it. It seems the associations that are reliant on crossbreeding somewhere along the line use...

Oh so you are a highland guy? Now you are just talking from your fourth point of contact.

Thank you for offering an example of the need for a pure bred bull.

My animals do just fine. I know everything you just said. I do get hybrid vigor but not like what you are looking for. As I said? I need more than just size for what i do. I have a reputation of growing really good beef. I would like to keep it. I need animals that can hold up to the tough...

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Yea, this breaks down to ideology and type of program. I rarely go to the sale barn. But I am also grossing around 4 times what I would by selling it as a finished product by th lb. So basically more lbs is good but it is not all I look for. I am not sacrificing quality on my or my customers tables.

I do use 3 breeds and line breeding in my program, but only good quality pure bred bulls. I use red angus, black angus, and murray grey. All males are terminal and we are very picky when it comes to replacements. It works for me in my situation and I would strongly recommend it to anyone...

Thanks. Can I ask what kind of operation you are running? I am noticing that different operation need different inputs. Fior instance I raise my beef from conception to consumption so I need a very consistent offspring. It doesn't seem that is the case for folks not direct marketing their animals.

I do not know anyone who selects solely on what the animal looks like, and I certainly want more leeway than a terminal sire provides. What good is a perfect looking steer that is tough and has no marbling. Or a replacement with little milk production and bad feet at 4 yrs old? I certainly do...

I agree we are talking about the same thing. It is just that what this gentleman is looking at is not it. I think you would agree that a bull needs to be the best animal on the ranch as that is where half the genetic material is coming from. Edit: thank you I will change my argument to reflect...

I admitted that. But these guys are not just tossing semen around. They have the numbers. They have the science. And when you don't who knows what a crossbreed bull will throw. You can end up in a place where you have no idea what phenotypes will present. There is no consistency. You can't tell...

I disagree that it probably won't accomplish much. I say it will. It is a quick way to ruin a herd. I have seen neighbors do it and screw up their herds for many generations. There is a huge difference between keeping cross bred heifers and using a crossbreed bull. Granted I am cross breeding...

A trusted farm won't sell a crossbred bull for breeding. You might reevaluate that relationship. The most important animal in your herd is your bull. You can breed to a good black angus bull. That would definitely out cross your herd. Any angus breed you could cross too. Murray Grey is what I...

Take a look at the Shorthorn for example. It was a tri use animal, Meat, milk and oxen. From the origiinal multi use shorthorn ranchers bred up both the beef shorthorn and the milking shorthorn. Beef shorthorn are in the beef books and milking shorthorns in the milking books. There were only a...

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