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[/img] This is Daisy - she was an excellent show heifer and proving to be very valuable as a cow. I'm praying for a heifer out of her this year!!

Mike C - that's exactly the point I was going to make. Regardless of each cattle person's personal preference on frame size the amount of land available has to come into play eventually. Especially in an area like ours that is urbanizing very quickly. You either have to reduce the number of...

Aplus - I know where there is a pretty nice blue roan heifer & steer at in OK. PM me if you are interested in the name. I have a soft spot for blue roans too!!

Another thing that I would consider if you are going to try to sell 4-H steers is the frame he is going to give the calves. Of course we want them to have a lot of bone, but if this guy is 2800 lbs & not fat (there is no fat in his brisket at all that I can tell) I wonder how big those steers...

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Do you have any idea what the hip height of these two were? I know that's kind of a weird question - just curious....

Rod, I'm from the same area & I have to say that I don't think you can go wrong with what we call the "dark hided" charolais calves. I am continually impressed with the way they look & the way they grow. Most of our cows are angus +.