Gas and diesel prices

kenny thomas

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This morning oil prices were back down to $72.08. Gas here was $2.59 and off road diesel was $2.69 when the price started up.
How long will they gouge us before the price goes back down. As CB stated when this started it takes about 90 days from leaving the middle east to pumping in out trucks. According to that the high priced oil from a month ago hasn't arrived yet.
 
There was much still in holding, and the gas pump owners jumped on the ability to jack up the prices. I heard that this morning on the news as well. It was good news.
So far the US has not used Iranian oil. But still, the gas pump owners are making a killing right now.
Never know what will happen after the cease fire if it holds. Iran sent a missile to Israel last night saying it was a rogue group that was not aware of the cease fire.
Iran said they would charge ships to go through the strait of Hormuz.

Let's hope this goes forward and prices come down soon.
 
You have to realize that the oil market is a speculative trading market, just like other commodities. When "bad news" hits, it's not an isolated situation. The speculators are laying in their bets, on how the world-wide market will react. They make their money on MOVEMENT in the market, NOT on consistency. A "flat market" leaves very little room for speculative investment profit.

The price at the pump is also a "speculative investment market", when the opportunity presents itself. Diesel at the pump here has been around $5.00 - $5.20 for a couple weeks. But I went through a small town with a small local C store on Sunday, ...they don't move much fuel at all... and they had it selling for $4.19, with gas marked on their pump pretty close to that... I'm sure that THEY had just filled up their diesel tanks earlier, and had taken a recent fill of newer, higher priced gas from the fuel jobber. And they were selling it based on what they had to pay for the fuel. The jobber that supplies them may have filled HIS tanks prior to the price increases from the pipeline (who is also taking advantage of the situation when they can), so he might have some lower priced diesel in his storage tanks, but the cost to replace it will be higher, so he charges the higher price as he pulls out of that storage tank, and "makes a nice profit" on his investment in storage. They generally charge, mostly based on what the market price is that day... not on what they paid to fill their storage tanks. If they bought on the high, they'll be more reluctant to narrow their margin though, until they get that higher priced fuel gone out of their storage tanks, for sure. But market pressure/competition might FORCE them to lower their price (and thus their margin), eventually.

It's no different for us, with beef. We decide somewhat on when to market our animals, depending on what the market is doing at the time, and what we THINK it will do going forward. We don't market it cheaper than the market, just because we happened to buy in our inventory of cattle "when it was cheap".

It's not "gouging", it's business, and investment.
 
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Gas was 3.99 this morning and diesel is over 5. Its about $100 a day to drive.

I have a trailer at a place about 30 miles away. Need to pick it up and drop another off. They are also swapping some ramps out on the new trailer for me. I called the guy today and said let me know when the new ramps are there so I can do it all in one shot. Im not making more than one trip. LoL
 
It is like basis in grain sales. Board prices sets the starting point, what the oil costs delivered to the refinery determines fuel costs. Brent crude could be a dollar a barrel but is irrelevant if we have no transport to our refineries.
 
This morning oil prices were back down to $72.08. Gas here was $2.59 and off road diesel was $2.69 when the price started up.
How long will they gouge us before the price goes back down. As CB stated when this started it takes about 90 days from leaving the middle east to pumping in out trucks. According to that the high priced oil from a month ago hasn't arrived yet.
Need to keep the companies interested in drilling. One company around here pulled a bunch of permits between September 2024 and December 2025. They finally started drilling on them about 2 months ago. Had to go to Bastrop yeserday to get a spot on my hand removed. Saw another rig working just across the county line in Lee County and 2 more pads being built a few miles farther down the road. Drill Baby Drill....:)
 
Need to keep the companies interested in drilling. One company around here pulled a bunch of permits between September 2024 and December 2025. They finally started drilling on them about 2 months ago. Had to go to Bastrop yeserday to get a spot on my hand removed. Saw another rig working just across the county line in Lee County and 2 more pads being built a few miles farther down the road. Drill Baby Drill....:)
My luck my well would come online just in time for oil to fall like a rock. Headlines would read... Venezuela and Iran make deal to send unlimited oil to the USA. 🤣
 
Did anyone have oil sold short overnight. Could have made a bit of spare cash.
Well somebody did, to the tune of $950 million short contracts. Bought about 2-3 hours before the cease fire announcement. Probably the same folks who bought the $560 million long contracts 15 minutes before the initial attack.
 
I've learned two things from my extended service to both agriculture and corporate America.

1. Corporate America doesn't know how to make food.
2. Farmers don't understand how Corp America makes money and/or how supply chains work in a globalized world and the corollary ....
2a. It is a globalized world from supply chain and corporate profitability standpoint. This can't be undone.

When any raw material (oil) enters short supply, the world will pay more for that raw material from countries that have the raw when they are running short. In order to keep supply of that raw (oil), Corporate America needs to charge the "US" the same price that China (or whoever) would pay them for it in order to keep that "supply" from being shipped to the highest bidder so that they can grow their profit levels (this is their only mandate promised to their owners - shareholders). It matters not that we don't buy oil that comes through the Hormuz unless the government prohibits the corporations who own the US oil from selling at the market price - which is entirely anti capitalism and illegal without some sort of "law" being established to codify it under whatever pretense such as national security.

blah blah blah - I'm even boring myself now...
 
Well somebody did, to the tune of $950 million short contracts. Bought about 2-3 hours before the cease fire announcement. Probably the same folks who bought the $560 million long contracts 15 minutes before the initial attack.
Someone might have had a dream about the future. Maybe a swamp dweller. I have heard that there is money to be made for some when we have a war. I guess this is one of the ways for those in the know.
 

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