chevytaHOE5674
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Come on now....
Basic soil structure/biology hard to grasp for you? Haha
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Basic soil structure/biology hard to grasp for you? Haha
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Always remember the ''average human'' has 2 testicles.
I have never had a professional tell me to add or leave organic matter to the point of discouraging new growth like that thatch does. At that point its time to burn it and convert it for new growth.
... and we are in a WAY hotter climate for a WAY longer part of the year.
... and we are in a WAY hotter climate for a WAY longer part of the year.
chevytaHOE5674
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Fire is a management tool just like grazing or letting sit fallow? Low intensity ground quick grass fires don't change soil structure much.
Unsure what point your trying to make...
Do an experiment. Clear some soil and water it. Now add grass clipping in various thicknesses to different areas. Come back in a few days and see what spot of soil has the most moisture?
Edit: and I've never had to sell off my herd even during our worst drought like many have. My thatch seems to be holding moisture, rotting down, feeding the soil, and growing more grass than ever. Whatever works for you.
Unsure what point your trying to make...
Do an experiment. Clear some soil and water it. Now add grass clipping in various thicknesses to different areas. Come back in a few days and see what spot of soil has the most moisture?
Edit: and I've never had to sell off my herd even during our worst drought like many have. My thatch seems to be holding moisture, rotting down, feeding the soil, and growing more grass than ever. Whatever works for you.
I've been there. Yes it holds moisture but it's counterproductive and makes no sense. Again, you are using and extreme situation of bare soil vs thatch to prove your point. How about a healthy amout of grass that can actively grow and provides cover vs thatch prohibiting growth.
That is not true. Burning will add to top soil structure. There are tons of places that have shown increased top soil after routinely burning.
We have never sold off either and been on the same land for over 100 years. I don't see what that has to do with logic.
This is ridiculous.
I guess this answers the question on how to get lower weaning weights. Wean early for smaller calves, build up grass you don't need, to make thatch to slow you grass growth, to help you make smaller calves? It comes full circle.
chevytaHOE5674
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Wowza you take everything to the extremes.
My original point was "extra grass" has a cost. If it takes X amount of nutrients to make Y amount of grass. Then to grow greater than Y amount of grass will take greater than X amount of nutrients. Therefore that "extra grass" has a cost. So extra grass to put on extra pounds has a price.
My original point was "extra grass" has a cost. If it takes X amount of nutrients to make Y amount of grass. Then to grow greater than Y amount of grass will take greater than X amount of nutrients. Therefore that "extra grass" has a cost. So extra grass to put on extra pounds has a price.
The extra grass if used also creates revenue. One cannot assume that any cost associated with grass production is a net loss.
You are the only one making that claim. Many have claimed that grass production has no cost or leaving any grass for any other purpose other than added weight to calves is a net loss. Nothing could be further from the truth. Proper feed management is as big if not bigger factor in profit then is weaning weight or gross calf check!
chevytaHOE5674
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It can create revenue in terms of calf weight, but not always. All depends on what the market demands and your cost to grow grass.
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That is what the pot stirrers do. They think their opinion is fact but it is only a fact.
We have never had too sell off either during a drought. Even where we grazed the calves there is still old grass left to cover the ground. Your that h costs as much to grow as the grass we graze.
This thread goes to illustrate a least one thing. Id be surprised if anyone disagrees, but someone surely will.
Adding pounds to a calf doesn't guarantee gross dollars or net dollars. As kit pharo constantly says, you cannot profit on production alone.
Adding pounds to a calf doesn't guarantee gross dollars or net dollars. As kit pharo constantly says, you cannot profit on production alone.
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It would also be a bad idea to depend on the exceptions in what is normal to make our decisions
In my opinion the exact opposite is true.
Those who do it the same ānormalā way are usually not the ones making profit ,and in many cases struggling to survive.
It is those who can identify and take advantage of the exceptions who are the ones who can consistently make a profit
Doesnāt matter if itās a selling at a weight that produces the most profit for investment, identify a specific time window that maximizes profit, identifying a cow that can produce more profit , wether otb, one and dones, ect., reducing cost of winter feed.
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chevytaHOE5674
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I can remember multiple times in the past dozen or years where a little bit lighter calves have been worth more per head that heavier. Typically happens when hay and corn are cheap and feedlots can add lbs cheaply. So to me it isn't an exception to the normal, it's just part of the normal.
