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<blockquote data-quote="cotton1" data-source="post: 1292968" data-attributes="member: 14689"><p>Kilroy60, I think the Safeguard blocks contain the same active ingredient as the drench but your leaving the cows to dose themselves. Probably ok for maintance but maybe you still need at least 1 dose per year that you know how much each animal is recieving.Pour-ons can be effective for a while if you dose based on weight. Even so over time some types of worms might become immune. The pour-ons give some control of lice and flys but you can use a pour on for that specific purpose that is not a wormer, and do the same thing. I like Ultra Boss for example.</p><p>312Magnum, an alley will work as long as you can get the hook in their mouth as far as oral drenchs go. The heifer that started things here showed signs that I learned to Identify after several others in my herd started having them. My Vet is very experienced having practiced over 40 years, he just knew. The signs I found were: 1. obviously lots of weight loss, usually acurring rapidly. 2. Loss of appetite, and just generally acting like they feel bad. 3. Terrible diarehha. The feces was liquid, and black in color, with a foul stench. The black color is because of internal bleeding. </p><p>When it was just the one I didnt understand at first. Just penned her up and tried to feed her. During this time she developed the diarehha, which occurs late in the game. The whole outbreak here took less than a week. The bulls I am growing out, to put into perspective how much weight they lose so quick, lost between 200-250lbs(each) in less than a week. I already had identified the problem and was just going to treat them just in case. They started showing the symptoms the day I treated them. I made the estimates based on their adg at weaning, then took their weights and figured the loss weight by the difference in adg for the number of days from weaning to the problem. For them, I could not have treated them any earlier if I was waiting to see a problem. My whole herd was treated with a pour on just a few weeks prior to the outbreak. Hope this helps</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cotton1, post: 1292968, member: 14689"] Kilroy60, I think the Safeguard blocks contain the same active ingredient as the drench but your leaving the cows to dose themselves. Probably ok for maintance but maybe you still need at least 1 dose per year that you know how much each animal is recieving.Pour-ons can be effective for a while if you dose based on weight. Even so over time some types of worms might become immune. The pour-ons give some control of lice and flys but you can use a pour on for that specific purpose that is not a wormer, and do the same thing. I like Ultra Boss for example. 312Magnum, an alley will work as long as you can get the hook in their mouth as far as oral drenchs go. The heifer that started things here showed signs that I learned to Identify after several others in my herd started having them. My Vet is very experienced having practiced over 40 years, he just knew. The signs I found were: 1. obviously lots of weight loss, usually acurring rapidly. 2. Loss of appetite, and just generally acting like they feel bad. 3. Terrible diarehha. The feces was liquid, and black in color, with a foul stench. The black color is because of internal bleeding. When it was just the one I didnt understand at first. Just penned her up and tried to feed her. During this time she developed the diarehha, which occurs late in the game. The whole outbreak here took less than a week. The bulls I am growing out, to put into perspective how much weight they lose so quick, lost between 200-250lbs(each) in less than a week. I already had identified the problem and was just going to treat them just in case. They started showing the symptoms the day I treated them. I made the estimates based on their adg at weaning, then took their weights and figured the loss weight by the difference in adg for the number of days from weaning to the problem. For them, I could not have treated them any earlier if I was waiting to see a problem. My whole herd was treated with a pour on just a few weeks prior to the outbreak. Hope this helps [/QUOTE]
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