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<blockquote data-quote="mdt192" data-source="post: 1779721" data-attributes="member: 28762"><p>Good afternoon, all. </p><p></p><p>My wife and I are considering purchasing a border collie for help rounding up cattle and sorting. I need opinions on whether or not it's worth it. </p><p></p><p>Our current situation: both off farm jobs which have us off farm 10 hours / day, 5 days a week. Both less than 30 y/o. We are usually running between 35 and 50 pair. Half dozen replacement heifers and half dozen feeder steers. Couple of bulls. </p><p></p><p>We are working on a lot of infrastructure (corrals / extra pens), but not where we need to be and probably 5-7 years from being there. </p><p></p><p>Most of our brood cows will follow a feed trough pulled by a UTV through anything, but we always have a few that turn and run at the first sign of the catchpen. They usually take a few calves with them when they turn tail. I've sold the worst ones about it, and a few others will take their place. </p><p></p><p>During weaning / sale day this year, we had a couple of bad apples that kept turning the entire herd of calves and culls. 6 weeks later and we still have a 4 of them that refuse to be caught. They know the barn is trouble for them and will run you over before going in there. I've been feeding the whole group of replacements and feeders in the barn, but the sale calves won't budge. This is where I'm thinking a herding dog would come in handy, and it would have paid for itself in calf weight loss from unintentional weaning and increased stress. </p><p></p><p>We've been sent videos of the dog and it's already started well on sheep and small groups of calves. 1.5 years old. The owner / trainer said she needs another few months of training before he's willing to turn her loose. She is from working stock. </p><p></p><p>My questions: </p><p></p><p>1. How much "working" will this dog need? I've been told at least once a week. Would letting my wife's goats out and letting her round them up count (a challenge for anyone without a feed bucket)? Would letting her move the feeder steers or replacement heifers between pastures be good enough? The real work would come in the spring and fall cattle workings, so only 2 days a year essentially. </p><p></p><p>2. Would this dog actually help us with moving cattle? I know this can depend on the dog and situation, but I wanted some opinions. </p><p></p><p>3. How much training will my cows need? Will they tear through everything the first time they get nipped?</p><p></p><p>Thank you in advance for your responses. I know next to nothing about dogs, much less working dogs. Everyone I know that has a "working" breed has an untrained high strung dog that doesn't listen to anything the owner tries to do with it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mdt192, post: 1779721, member: 28762"] Good afternoon, all. My wife and I are considering purchasing a border collie for help rounding up cattle and sorting. I need opinions on whether or not it's worth it. Our current situation: both off farm jobs which have us off farm 10 hours / day, 5 days a week. Both less than 30 y/o. We are usually running between 35 and 50 pair. Half dozen replacement heifers and half dozen feeder steers. Couple of bulls. We are working on a lot of infrastructure (corrals / extra pens), but not where we need to be and probably 5-7 years from being there. Most of our brood cows will follow a feed trough pulled by a UTV through anything, but we always have a few that turn and run at the first sign of the catchpen. They usually take a few calves with them when they turn tail. I've sold the worst ones about it, and a few others will take their place. During weaning / sale day this year, we had a couple of bad apples that kept turning the entire herd of calves and culls. 6 weeks later and we still have a 4 of them that refuse to be caught. They know the barn is trouble for them and will run you over before going in there. I've been feeding the whole group of replacements and feeders in the barn, but the sale calves won't budge. This is where I'm thinking a herding dog would come in handy, and it would have paid for itself in calf weight loss from unintentional weaning and increased stress. We've been sent videos of the dog and it's already started well on sheep and small groups of calves. 1.5 years old. The owner / trainer said she needs another few months of training before he's willing to turn her loose. She is from working stock. My questions: 1. How much "working" will this dog need? I've been told at least once a week. Would letting my wife's goats out and letting her round them up count (a challenge for anyone without a feed bucket)? Would letting her move the feeder steers or replacement heifers between pastures be good enough? The real work would come in the spring and fall cattle workings, so only 2 days a year essentially. 2. Would this dog actually help us with moving cattle? I know this can depend on the dog and situation, but I wanted some opinions. 3. How much training will my cows need? Will they tear through everything the first time they get nipped? Thank you in advance for your responses. I know next to nothing about dogs, much less working dogs. Everyone I know that has a "working" breed has an untrained high strung dog that doesn't listen to anything the owner tries to do with it. [/QUOTE]
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