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<blockquote data-quote="WhiteFacesPay" data-source="post: 686545" data-attributes="member: 13160"><p>Paper breeders are a scary thing!</p><p></p><p>Picasso pedigree????</p><p></p><p>I guess if I was wanting some 8-10 oz highly marbled T-bones for my own use I could see using his sire. Linebred Endurance a bull most of us would have thawed out and thrown away. I think (or hope) most breeders would see a bull that is practically devoid of milk and muscle. A +2 milk (a 6 would make him the bottom 5% of the breed) with 476 daughters recording calves. A -.34 REA ( a -.12 would make him the bottom 5% of the breed) with 376 scans recorded. The amount of data recorded to achieve these horrible numbers leads me to believe it is more than a paper figure. Where the logic comes in to double this up in a pedigree and market his semen I do not know. </p><p></p><p>We as Hereford breeders do not need to be continentals. However there are still a lot of Hereford cattle out there that are lacking in muscling. Propagating cattle in the bottom percentile of the breed in REA and muscle holds us all back. Propagating a 2 milk EPD I suppose would be fine in a terminal sire but not much else.</p><p></p><p><strong>Having cattle in the bottom 5% of the breed for REA calculated out to be breed leaders for the CHB index is just wrong.</strong> If your goal is to produce highly marbled cattle with loins the size of a hogs why not just raise waygu? </p><p></p><p>Hereford sire you are a fool - the scary thing is there are a lot of paper breeders out there like you!</p><p></p><p>No disrespect to the breeder of this calf - I'd guess by the dam side - you have a pretty good cow there - but would have to see her first before declaring she has produced the next great one. If this calf is half as good as HS thinks - sure love to see what she would produce with a bull that throws some meat into his calves with out detracting from all she already has going for her.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="WhiteFacesPay, post: 686545, member: 13160"] Paper breeders are a scary thing! Picasso pedigree???? I guess if I was wanting some 8-10 oz highly marbled T-bones for my own use I could see using his sire. Linebred Endurance a bull most of us would have thawed out and thrown away. I think (or hope) most breeders would see a bull that is practically devoid of milk and muscle. A +2 milk (a 6 would make him the bottom 5% of the breed) with 476 daughters recording calves. A -.34 REA ( a -.12 would make him the bottom 5% of the breed) with 376 scans recorded. The amount of data recorded to achieve these horrible numbers leads me to believe it is more than a paper figure. Where the logic comes in to double this up in a pedigree and market his semen I do not know. We as Hereford breeders do not need to be continentals. However there are still a lot of Hereford cattle out there that are lacking in muscling. Propagating cattle in the bottom percentile of the breed in REA and muscle holds us all back. Propagating a 2 milk EPD I suppose would be fine in a terminal sire but not much else. [b]Having cattle in the bottom 5% of the breed for REA calculated out to be breed leaders for the CHB index is just wrong.[/b] If your goal is to produce highly marbled cattle with loins the size of a hogs why not just raise waygu? Hereford sire you are a fool - the scary thing is there are a lot of paper breeders out there like you! No disrespect to the breeder of this calf - I'd guess by the dam side - you have a pretty good cow there - but would have to see her first before declaring she has produced the next great one. If this calf is half as good as HS thinks - sure love to see what she would produce with a bull that throws some meat into his calves with out detracting from all she already has going for her. [/QUOTE]
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