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<blockquote data-quote="Beef Man" data-source="post: 749736" data-attributes="member: 13859"><p>Speaking of birthweights,I sometimes wonder what kind of scale some seedstock breeders use. Have purchased supposidly light b.w. bull and wound up with a whole lot of problems, ofcoarse, the mama has some important influence in this equation. This being the case I'm still confused when a calf with a plus 4--5 EPD above breed average shows a actual b.w. of 75--80 lbs. Got so we breed our own heifer bulls and they work well for us.We have always weighed everycalf born her the first 24 hours,tattoo both ears,tag and dehorn the heifers and any bull calf that has a big b.w. is also dehorned and willmake a super steer. But just when we feel we've got it figured out we make a misque on a bull and here we go again. One other thing b.w. is not the only question as bodytype and shape are of equal importance and maybe in some cases moreso. Had a direct son of D4 that was a hard calving son of a gun and used 2 grandsons and never had a problem. Once bought a bull with avery moderate bw and he nearly put us out of biz.Son of a tremendous show bull that 26-- used a long time and sold bulls all over the US. This is all long ago history but just goes to show no matter how much change there is there will always be somethings that remain the same. Anybody ever her the thoery that a cow should and indeed could have a calf that is 8% of her body weight. Do'nt know if its indeed true but it is reasonible as the cattle got bigger so fast that bw went along and as we go back to more moderate sized cows it also will change. sorry im so longwinded.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Beef Man, post: 749736, member: 13859"] Speaking of birthweights,I sometimes wonder what kind of scale some seedstock breeders use. Have purchased supposidly light b.w. bull and wound up with a whole lot of problems, ofcoarse, the mama has some important influence in this equation. This being the case I'm still confused when a calf with a plus 4--5 EPD above breed average shows a actual b.w. of 75--80 lbs. Got so we breed our own heifer bulls and they work well for us.We have always weighed everycalf born her the first 24 hours,tattoo both ears,tag and dehorn the heifers and any bull calf that has a big b.w. is also dehorned and willmake a super steer. But just when we feel we've got it figured out we make a misque on a bull and here we go again. One other thing b.w. is not the only question as bodytype and shape are of equal importance and maybe in some cases moreso. Had a direct son of D4 that was a hard calving son of a gun and used 2 grandsons and never had a problem. Once bought a bull with avery moderate bw and he nearly put us out of biz.Son of a tremendous show bull that 26-- used a long time and sold bulls all over the US. This is all long ago history but just goes to show no matter how much change there is there will always be somethings that remain the same. Anybody ever her the thoery that a cow should and indeed could have a calf that is 8% of her body weight. Do'nt know if its indeed true but it is reasonible as the cattle got bigger so fast that bw went along and as we go back to more moderate sized cows it also will change. sorry im so longwinded. [/QUOTE]
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