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<blockquote data-quote="simangus23" data-source="post: 495959" data-attributes="member: 7772"><p>the fleckvieh simms have really poor EPD's:</p><p>1. especially Calving ease/BW EPD's</p><p>2. They have a huge frame which hurts the commercial cattleman thats selling these calves as stockers/feedyards dont want them. </p><p>3. The maternal milk is really high which costs the cow/calf producer more money to maintain an animal like that. </p><p>4. When is the last time you saw a full blood Fleckvieh Simm under 6.5 Frame score? </p><p>Let's do the Math:</p><p>FB fleck cow weighing in at 1500 lbs </p><p>Cow that weighs 1500 will eat 45 lbs of forage per day</p><p>From Day 0 (calving) to day 205 (weaning) that = 9225</p><p>If the cost of forage costs $100/ton that = $461.25</p><p>Say she weans a 700 lb calf and you get .85 cents/lb that = $595.00</p><p>$595.00 - 461.25 = $134.00 profit </p><p></p><p>Lets look at a PB Simmental cow weighing in at 1200 lbs </p><p>Cow will consume 36 lbs of forage per day</p><p>Day 0 to day 205 = 205 x 36 = 7380 lbs </p><p>If the cost of forage costs $100/ton that = 369.00</p><p>say she weans a 600 lb calf and you get 0.95 / lb</p><p>600 x 0.95 = 570</p><p>$570 - 370.00 = $200.00</p><p></p><p>The PB Simm cow beats the FB Fleck cow everytime -- She can wean 50% of her Body Wt and a fleck cow cannot do it on avg.</p><p>The PB Simm cow will out perform the FB fleck in lbs of beef per acre (which is the real measurement to look at) </p><p>The PB Simm cow will cost you less money to maintain increasing your bottom line.</p><p>PB Simm sired calves will hit the ground unassisted and grow quickly to weaning (205 days) Weaned at 600 lbs</p><p>PB Simm sired calves will gain >2.5 lbs per day on wheat pasture (We have had calves push the 3.0 lb ADG on wheat pasture) (350 lb gain on Wheat pasture in 140 days max) (Entering feedyard at 950 lbs)</p><p>PB Simm sired calves (Steers) will finish out about 1300 lbs ( Low to Med Choice YG 2-3) in 125 days in the feedyard (<1300 lbs)</p><p>PB Simm sired calves will have a much better marbling percentage carcass and will have Quality Grades in Med Choice range.</p><p>FB Fleck sired steers will still be in the feed yard 2 months after PB Simm sired calves have been Harvested. </p><p>FB Fleck sired steers will normally Grade a moderate marbling score sending it to the Low Choice YG 2 (maybe) realm. and dont forget cost you more to feed whether at home or in the feedyard---- </p><p></p><p>I would be glad to show you some steer data in the feedyard anytime you wanna look at it, but chances are you will be selling your fleck sired calves after you do------------- </p><p>Simangus23</p><p></p><p></p><p>Which cow calf pair do you want on your ranch?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="simangus23, post: 495959, member: 7772"] the fleckvieh simms have really poor EPD's: 1. especially Calving ease/BW EPD's 2. They have a huge frame which hurts the commercial cattleman thats selling these calves as stockers/feedyards dont want them. 3. The maternal milk is really high which costs the cow/calf producer more money to maintain an animal like that. 4. When is the last time you saw a full blood Fleckvieh Simm under 6.5 Frame score? Let's do the Math: FB fleck cow weighing in at 1500 lbs Cow that weighs 1500 will eat 45 lbs of forage per day From Day 0 (calving) to day 205 (weaning) that = 9225 If the cost of forage costs $100/ton that = $461.25 Say she weans a 700 lb calf and you get .85 cents/lb that = $595.00 $595.00 - 461.25 = $134.00 profit Lets look at a PB Simmental cow weighing in at 1200 lbs Cow will consume 36 lbs of forage per day Day 0 to day 205 = 205 x 36 = 7380 lbs If the cost of forage costs $100/ton that = 369.00 say she weans a 600 lb calf and you get 0.95 / lb 600 x 0.95 = 570 $570 - 370.00 = $200.00 The PB Simm cow beats the FB Fleck cow everytime -- She can wean 50% of her Body Wt and a fleck cow cannot do it on avg. The PB Simm cow will out perform the FB fleck in lbs of beef per acre (which is the real measurement to look at) The PB Simm cow will cost you less money to maintain increasing your bottom line. PB Simm sired calves will hit the ground unassisted and grow quickly to weaning (205 days) Weaned at 600 lbs PB Simm sired calves will gain >2.5 lbs per day on wheat pasture (We have had calves push the 3.0 lb ADG on wheat pasture) (350 lb gain on Wheat pasture in 140 days max) (Entering feedyard at 950 lbs) PB Simm sired calves (Steers) will finish out about 1300 lbs ( Low to Med Choice YG 2-3) in 125 days in the feedyard (<1300 lbs) PB Simm sired calves will have a much better marbling percentage carcass and will have Quality Grades in Med Choice range. FB Fleck sired steers will still be in the feed yard 2 months after PB Simm sired calves have been Harvested. FB Fleck sired steers will normally Grade a moderate marbling score sending it to the Low Choice YG 2 (maybe) realm. and dont forget cost you more to feed whether at home or in the feedyard---- I would be glad to show you some steer data in the feedyard anytime you wanna look at it, but chances are you will be selling your fleck sired calves after you do------------- Simangus23 Which cow calf pair do you want on your ranch? [/QUOTE]
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