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<blockquote data-quote="Warren Allison" data-source="post: 1820373" data-attributes="member: 40587"><p>YOu are right. We had the AQHA White Rule for 60 + years. It was in place because no horse breeds contain tobiano "paint": or "pintos' This is found only in pony breeds. So, that was a good indication that some where in a horse's parentage, there was a "pony in the woodpile" Horse breeds like APHA, however, included Frame overo, splash wg hite, and sabino as approved patterns for paints. AQHA:"s color standard included not allowing these patterns eitherr. No white above the knees, none on the body,. a certain amount of the face, etc. You might breed two QHs and get a foal that " cropped out" due to excessive white, and APHA would register these as paints. But, about 10-15 years ago some wealthy breeder that had a stallion that threw excessive white, and sued the AQHA.. AQHA had started requiring DNA to register in the 80's. The plaintive made a good point: WIth DNA, the An AQHA x an AQHA = an AQHA. So, AQHA had to go back and issue these crop-outs AQHA papers, , creating a lot of horses registered as 2 breeds. It was stupid. LIke saying this cow is a registered Holstein AND a registered Brahma. Thankfully APHA responded by changing their rules that one parent had to be single registered APHA. So, that foal can only be registered APHA. Buit there are still some of the double registered overos around. and of course there is dbl; registered semen still frozen. </p><p></p><p>What breeders<em> should </em>have done,, which was the intention of the CAB program, in the first place. was NOT try to change the other breeds to black. They should have <em>selected for</em>, and <em>marketed as</em>, their red- white Simms, and orange Limms and Gels, etc, as <em>the best cows</em> to breed to an Angus bull to get superior black calves that qualified for CAB, And markets their bull as<em> the best bull</em> to put on your Angus cows, to get a superior calf that could qualify CAB. The only beef breed that would not have benefitted from this would be Charolais, but they don't benefit from the CAB program now anyway. I remember 55-60 years ago, when the SImms came to this area, and people bred those bulls to their Hereford and Angus 800 lb cows, and it killed half of them. BUT, I <em>also</em> remember people breeding their Angus bulls to those big ole red & white Simm cows. They'd pop out those polled black calves...never remember even a Simm <em>heifer</em> having calving problems, and my God, they had as much milk near about as a Jeresey. They grew off big calves... as big as a pure Simm, and so fast you could almost see them growing day by day. I fail to see what was wrong with that. But hind sight is 20/20 they say. That genie is so far out of the bottle, there'd be no way to get it back in again, now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warren Allison, post: 1820373, member: 40587"] YOu are right. We had the AQHA White Rule for 60 + years. It was in place because no horse breeds contain tobiano "paint": or "pintos' This is found only in pony breeds. So, that was a good indication that some where in a horse's parentage, there was a "pony in the woodpile" Horse breeds like APHA, however, included Frame overo, splash wg hite, and sabino as approved patterns for paints. AQHA:"s color standard included not allowing these patterns eitherr. No white above the knees, none on the body,. a certain amount of the face, etc. You might breed two QHs and get a foal that " cropped out" due to excessive white, and APHA would register these as paints. But, about 10-15 years ago some wealthy breeder that had a stallion that threw excessive white, and sued the AQHA.. AQHA had started requiring DNA to register in the 80's. The plaintive made a good point: WIth DNA, the An AQHA x an AQHA = an AQHA. So, AQHA had to go back and issue these crop-outs AQHA papers, , creating a lot of horses registered as 2 breeds. It was stupid. LIke saying this cow is a registered Holstein AND a registered Brahma. Thankfully APHA responded by changing their rules that one parent had to be single registered APHA. So, that foal can only be registered APHA. Buit there are still some of the double registered overos around. and of course there is dbl; registered semen still frozen. What breeders[I] should [/I]have done,, which was the intention of the CAB program, in the first place. was NOT try to change the other breeds to black. They should have [I]selected for[/I], and [I]marketed as[/I], their red- white Simms, and orange Limms and Gels, etc, as [I]the best cows[/I] to breed to an Angus bull to get superior black calves that qualified for CAB, And markets their bull as[I] the best bull[/I] to put on your Angus cows, to get a superior calf that could qualify CAB. The only beef breed that would not have benefitted from this would be Charolais, but they don't benefit from the CAB program now anyway. I remember 55-60 years ago, when the SImms came to this area, and people bred those bulls to their Hereford and Angus 800 lb cows, and it killed half of them. BUT, I [I]also[/I] remember people breeding their Angus bulls to those big ole red & white Simm cows. They'd pop out those polled black calves...never remember even a Simm [I]heifer[/I] having calving problems, and my God, they had as much milk near about as a Jeresey. They grew off big calves... as big as a pure Simm, and so fast you could almost see them growing day by day. I fail to see what was wrong with that. But hind sight is 20/20 they say. That genie is so far out of the bottle, there'd be no way to get it back in again, now. [/QUOTE]
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