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<blockquote data-quote="simme" data-source="post: 1819966" data-attributes="member: 40418"><p>There were some comments that breed associations should require 100% parentage verification in order to register calves. Although that may sound like a good thing, think about the situations and implications.</p><p></p><p>100% verification to me means verification to both the sire and dam for all calves. That requires both the sire and dam have dna analysis on file with a genetic lab. If the sire is an AI bull, then he most likely has a dna profile already. But if the rare semen used is from a very old bull that died prior to dna technology, then 100% verification is complicated or impossible. That would only affect a very few, but could eliminate their use under 100% verification.</p><p></p><p>What about registering calves from natural service bulls? That means that a dna sample has to submitted on that sire prior to registering the first calf. Every dam will also need a dna sample submitted before any calves can be registered. Even then, that proves the calf came from those parents, but does not prove that their parentage is correct.</p><p></p><p>Associations with breed-up programs may allow you to start with any non-registered cow. That complicates 100% verification to the dam.</p><p></p><p>Then there is the issue of older frozen embryo's from dams that are now deceased and never had dna submitted. A requirement for 100% verification would probably make those embryo's ineligible for registration.</p><p></p><p>The price for standalone parentage verification from the simmental association (using Neogen) is currently $18 per calf assuming that sire and dam have dna profiles at the lab. Number of calves registered per year times $18 plus the cost of collecting and mailing samples. I think many purebred breeders include parentage verification and I think that can be a selling point for their bulls. But there are lots of little guys with a few registered cattle and kids with a few registered cattle that they show and breed. I suspect that a requirement for dna verification of parentage on ALL calves registered would reduce the number of calves registered from small operations and reduce the number of members due to the cost and effort required. </p><p></p><p>The simmental association originally referred to themselves as the performance breed. They required weaning weights in order for calves to be registered. I think the idea was to gather more data for better accuracy of epd's and to show evidence of superior growth in the breed to gain market share against lower growth breeds. But they dropped that requirement years ago. Breed associations try to attract young people into their breed since young people will eventually be the old cattle people. Often that starts with showing a calf of some breed. Buying the calf can be a strain on a kid's finances, but buying a set of scales to comply with weaning weights was also a strain. Having a requirement that might cause a young person to choose a different breed or might cause a decline in membership probably has to be balanced against the value of the requirement.</p><p></p><p>Having 100% of all registered calves verified as to parentage is a great result, but probably not so easy to implement and mandate. Maybe the target should be a little less.</p><p></p><p>I wish the AI studs would publish the frame scores and current pictures of all of their bulls.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="simme, post: 1819966, member: 40418"] There were some comments that breed associations should require 100% parentage verification in order to register calves. Although that may sound like a good thing, think about the situations and implications. 100% verification to me means verification to both the sire and dam for all calves. That requires both the sire and dam have dna analysis on file with a genetic lab. If the sire is an AI bull, then he most likely has a dna profile already. But if the rare semen used is from a very old bull that died prior to dna technology, then 100% verification is complicated or impossible. That would only affect a very few, but could eliminate their use under 100% verification. What about registering calves from natural service bulls? That means that a dna sample has to submitted on that sire prior to registering the first calf. Every dam will also need a dna sample submitted before any calves can be registered. Even then, that proves the calf came from those parents, but does not prove that their parentage is correct. Associations with breed-up programs may allow you to start with any non-registered cow. That complicates 100% verification to the dam. Then there is the issue of older frozen embryo's from dams that are now deceased and never had dna submitted. A requirement for 100% verification would probably make those embryo's ineligible for registration. The price for standalone parentage verification from the simmental association (using Neogen) is currently $18 per calf assuming that sire and dam have dna profiles at the lab. Number of calves registered per year times $18 plus the cost of collecting and mailing samples. I think many purebred breeders include parentage verification and I think that can be a selling point for their bulls. But there are lots of little guys with a few registered cattle and kids with a few registered cattle that they show and breed. I suspect that a requirement for dna verification of parentage on ALL calves registered would reduce the number of calves registered from small operations and reduce the number of members due to the cost and effort required. The simmental association originally referred to themselves as the performance breed. They required weaning weights in order for calves to be registered. I think the idea was to gather more data for better accuracy of epd's and to show evidence of superior growth in the breed to gain market share against lower growth breeds. But they dropped that requirement years ago. Breed associations try to attract young people into their breed since young people will eventually be the old cattle people. Often that starts with showing a calf of some breed. Buying the calf can be a strain on a kid's finances, but buying a set of scales to comply with weaning weights was also a strain. Having a requirement that might cause a young person to choose a different breed or might cause a decline in membership probably has to be balanced against the value of the requirement. Having 100% of all registered calves verified as to parentage is a great result, but probably not so easy to implement and mandate. Maybe the target should be a little less. I wish the AI studs would publish the frame scores and current pictures of all of their bulls. [/QUOTE]
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