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<blockquote data-quote="Ebenezer" data-source="post: 1819868" data-attributes="member: 24565"><p>Good discussion on type versus pedigree. Nobody says that APA breeds will breed true. There is always the need to fix something in a complicated poultry breed. There is the need to diminish the traits of other breeds used in the past. Most poultry shows have the pair or the single of the flock that was the "best" and I do not think that it/they always represent the source flock. I've fooled with that for decades and there is still some sly of hand in the chickens and the breeds. Large #s of chicks are hatched by many show flocks to find the few that fit the type to be superior. </p><p></p><p>Proper pedigrees really are the more stable route if all play fair. Within the pedigreed population folks can honestly select the oddballs that match the current fad but the base is still there. With intentional or unintentional outcrosses and superior function to create widespread use there is severe breed damage of purity. </p><p></p><p>There was a major changer bull born in 1971. The problem was later figured out by some. His maternal granddam was 1/2 Holstein from a fluke of not having proper identification on heifers that were bought. The Holstein was a nurse cow, her heifer looked like the others and there was an accidental swap. The traits that he transmitted were obviously different. It was seen as progress and a step forward. To go back and remove it once it was figures out would likely have taken out a huge amount of registered cattle. Breed associations have not always been wealthy and powerful. To have whacked members and companies with losses might have been the sinking ship. We saw the same with the recent defects and the walking on eggshells. </p><p></p><p>Dr. Bonsma developed a breed based on type and performance. That was never widely accepted as it took too much thought and effort. I will admit that he was more into function that purity of pedigree as breed up was allowed and inbreeding was avoided.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ebenezer, post: 1819868, member: 24565"] Good discussion on type versus pedigree. Nobody says that APA breeds will breed true. There is always the need to fix something in a complicated poultry breed. There is the need to diminish the traits of other breeds used in the past. Most poultry shows have the pair or the single of the flock that was the "best" and I do not think that it/they always represent the source flock. I've fooled with that for decades and there is still some sly of hand in the chickens and the breeds. Large #s of chicks are hatched by many show flocks to find the few that fit the type to be superior. Proper pedigrees really are the more stable route if all play fair. Within the pedigreed population folks can honestly select the oddballs that match the current fad but the base is still there. With intentional or unintentional outcrosses and superior function to create widespread use there is severe breed damage of purity. There was a major changer bull born in 1971. The problem was later figured out by some. His maternal granddam was 1/2 Holstein from a fluke of not having proper identification on heifers that were bought. The Holstein was a nurse cow, her heifer looked like the others and there was an accidental swap. The traits that he transmitted were obviously different. It was seen as progress and a step forward. To go back and remove it once it was figures out would likely have taken out a huge amount of registered cattle. Breed associations have not always been wealthy and powerful. To have whacked members and companies with losses might have been the sinking ship. We saw the same with the recent defects and the walking on eggshells. Dr. Bonsma developed a breed based on type and performance. That was never widely accepted as it took too much thought and effort. I will admit that he was more into function that purity of pedigree as breed up was allowed and inbreeding was avoided. [/QUOTE]
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