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<blockquote data-quote="Ky hills" data-source="post: 1819790" data-attributes="member: 24816"><p>I've heard a lot of different perspectives on that subject. Some people are purists and lament any changes like that.</p><p>Others look at it as a necessary evil to compete. </p><p>For me personally the, concept of bringing in other breed genetics is something of an ethical argument. Yes it was underhanded and deceitful, but at this point it is what it is. I think it would be better to acknowledge than to sweep it under the rug and try to pretend it didn't happen, which is basically what the associations have likely done. </p><p>The breeds have changed since you and I were young, but had they not would Angus and Herefords be as rare as shorthorns today? In the years after Angus cattle became almost twice the size of before, and since moderated some, if other breeds hadn't pushed black hides and moderated their frame would they even be on the radar today? </p><p>Things change to meet the market demands however practical or superficial they are, and producers have to find a way to meet that demand.</p><p>Another example is the chickens we buy from big hatcheries. Most of those "breeds" are far removed from their original look and characteristics.</p><p>They breed other breeds in to increase egg production. The Rhode Island Red pullets I have are very small, and a shade lighter than they would have been years ago. They are supposed to lay more eggs now and the particular strain I have are said to not be likely to produce the same qualities in the next generation. </p><p>My Buff Orpingtons are not as heavy feathered as the original birds and some have an occasional dark grey or black tail feather. One of my roosters has almost red wing feathers and is darker yellow/ orange than the others. Most likely from having Rhode Island Red bred into them to up egg production and give more hardiness. Doesn't bother me but some chicken purists would be appalled.</p><p>Back to cattle since I have mostly commercial cattle a little excess white on an Angus calf doesn't bother me, but a few years ago when I had some registered Angus bulls to sell one had white beyond where the breed standard allows for, so it would have cost me by not being able to sell him as registered. Turns out he didn't semen check so he wouldn't have sold anyway as a registered or commercial. </p><p>I've seen a really nice Angus heifer calf have her registration papers pulled in the sale ring at a registered sale in front of everybody when some folks pointed out excess white. So I can understand the frustration and inconvenience for registered breeders those things cause.</p><p></p><p>Cattle have definitely changed since my early childhood. Most calves weaned off around 400 lbs in the late 70's early 80's here. Wasn't long until it was more common to see 500# calves. </p><p>In a sense yes it's improved, but I often think the old timers didn't put near the expense of fancy mineral and supplements and so forth that we regularly do now yet they still had calves to sell year after year, so have we bred for more dependent cows, but that's another topic altogether I reckon.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ky hills, post: 1819790, member: 24816"] I’ve heard a lot of different perspectives on that subject. Some people are purists and lament any changes like that. Others look at it as a necessary evil to compete. For me personally the, concept of bringing in other breed genetics is something of an ethical argument. Yes it was underhanded and deceitful, but at this point it is what it is. I think it would be better to acknowledge than to sweep it under the rug and try to pretend it didn’t happen, which is basically what the associations have likely done. The breeds have changed since you and I were young, but had they not would Angus and Herefords be as rare as shorthorns today? In the years after Angus cattle became almost twice the size of before, and since moderated some, if other breeds hadn’t pushed black hides and moderated their frame would they even be on the radar today? Things change to meet the market demands however practical or superficial they are, and producers have to find a way to meet that demand. Another example is the chickens we buy from big hatcheries. Most of those “breeds” are far removed from their original look and characteristics. They breed other breeds in to increase egg production. The Rhode Island Red pullets I have are very small, and a shade lighter than they would have been years ago. They are supposed to lay more eggs now and the particular strain I have are said to not be likely to produce the same qualities in the next generation. My Buff Orpingtons are not as heavy feathered as the original birds and some have an occasional dark grey or black tail feather. One of my roosters has almost red wing feathers and is darker yellow/ orange than the others. Most likely from having Rhode Island Red bred into them to up egg production and give more hardiness. Doesn’t bother me but some chicken purists would be appalled. Back to cattle since I have mostly commercial cattle a little excess white on an Angus calf doesn’t bother me, but a few years ago when I had some registered Angus bulls to sell one had white beyond where the breed standard allows for, so it would have cost me by not being able to sell him as registered. Turns out he didn’t semen check so he wouldn’t have sold anyway as a registered or commercial. I’ve seen a really nice Angus heifer calf have her registration papers pulled in the sale ring at a registered sale in front of everybody when some folks pointed out excess white. So I can understand the frustration and inconvenience for registered breeders those things cause. Cattle have definitely changed since my early childhood. Most calves weaned off around 400 lbs in the late 70’s early 80’s here. Wasn’t long until it was more common to see 500# calves. In a sense yes it’s improved, but I often think the old timers didn’t put near the expense of fancy mineral and supplements and so forth that we regularly do now yet they still had calves to sell year after year, so have we bred for more dependent cows, but that’s another topic altogether I reckon. [/QUOTE]
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