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Whats wrong with Simmental cattle?
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<blockquote data-quote="Warren Allison" data-source="post: 1819686" data-attributes="member: 40587"><p>Well, at least the Continental breed associations were open and honest about it. Like you said, Ang and Hereford are closed books. Someone may have intentionally bought some Holsteins to breed to their registered Angus, but I kinda doubt a major breeder risking doing that. More than likely the blood got contaminated by other breeds in the same way that used to be done with QHs, before AQHA made the DNA requirement for registering about 30 years ago. Someone might have a real nice bred mare, royal pedigree, that died. So, they kept the papers til they found another, even a grade, mare that marched the description...bred her... and used the paper from the dead mare to register the foal. Maybe a filly bred to run, got injured. Maybe the owners knew of another filly...., even a grade, or "mutt" filly...... that looked just like her and was faster than the word of God. </p><p>They would race her, and sell her, using the other filly's papers. I have run up on questionable horse traders who would give you one price if you wanted the papers, and another if you didn't, for a mare or a stallion. I turn these people in everytime I find them. And, I have seen cattle traders do the same...give you two prices, one with papers and one without. Either trader did this because they wanted to keep the papers to match up with anther good grade horse or commercial cow. Maybe someone has registered Angus and a commercial herd. Maybe the reg cow died, or the commercial cow had an awesome calf, and they would register her calf using a registered cow's papers. The commercial cow may have had Holstein, black Simm, or Chi-angus blood. Maybe the person actually believed the commercial cow was pure Angus, but that doesn't matter. They knew it wasn't the cow whose papers they used, and this is dishonest and fraudulent. Or. maybe they bought a commercial cow from someone who had put a registered cow's papers with her, and the new owner actually did believe she was registered Angus. All kinds of potential for fraud, intentional or unintentional, especially in Angus, because they can have or sire black calves mixed with most any other kind except maybe Charolais.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Warren Allison, post: 1819686, member: 40587"] Well, at least the Continental breed associations were open and honest about it. Like you said, Ang and Hereford are closed books. Someone may have intentionally bought some Holsteins to breed to their registered Angus, but I kinda doubt a major breeder risking doing that. More than likely the blood got contaminated by other breeds in the same way that used to be done with QHs, before AQHA made the DNA requirement for registering about 30 years ago. Someone might have a real nice bred mare, royal pedigree, that died. So, they kept the papers til they found another, even a grade, mare that marched the description...bred her... and used the paper from the dead mare to register the foal. Maybe a filly bred to run, got injured. Maybe the owners knew of another filly...., even a grade, or "mutt" filly...... that looked just like her and was faster than the word of God. They would race her, and sell her, using the other filly's papers. I have run up on questionable horse traders who would give you one price if you wanted the papers, and another if you didn't, for a mare or a stallion. I turn these people in everytime I find them. And, I have seen cattle traders do the same...give you two prices, one with papers and one without. Either trader did this because they wanted to keep the papers to match up with anther good grade horse or commercial cow. Maybe someone has registered Angus and a commercial herd. Maybe the reg cow died, or the commercial cow had an awesome calf, and they would register her calf using a registered cow's papers. The commercial cow may have had Holstein, black Simm, or Chi-angus blood. Maybe the person actually believed the commercial cow was pure Angus, but that doesn't matter. They knew it wasn't the cow whose papers they used, and this is dishonest and fraudulent. Or. maybe they bought a commercial cow from someone who had put a registered cow's papers with her, and the new owner actually did believe she was registered Angus. All kinds of potential for fraud, intentional or unintentional, especially in Angus, because they can have or sire black calves mixed with most any other kind except maybe Charolais. [/QUOTE]
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