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<blockquote data-quote="Jeanne - Simme Valley" data-source="post: 64449" data-attributes="member: 968"><p>Frankie,</p><p>Hmm, I DID answer that question on one of the other threads - but I sure couldn't find it. Anyway, all I was trying to point out, was that "back in the late 60's & early 70's" many producers getting into the Simmental breed contracted Holstein dairies. They supplied the semen & got all the heifers at a preset price. They were the start of the black Simmentals because MOST beef farms (Angus) did not do any AI back than. And, yes, they came out tall & leggy & spotted. Just what they wanted back then. Angus has been the largest influence in our breed color through the years. Mostly because, Angus Simmental crosses are the best crosses possible. Now that should get people talking! </p><p>Our Macho bull's great, great maternal grandmother is 1/4 Angus. I didn't go back far enough to find anything in the sire side - but surely it goes back to Angus somewhere.</p><p></p><p>The latest US MARC research (Report #22) states that Simmental rank #1 in most economic traits among <strong>Continental</strong> breeds - and that Angus rank #1 in most economic traits among <strong>British</strong> breeds.</p><p>Therefore it is common sense to breed the #1 British with the #1 Continental breed.</p><p>I will list the rankings - the first placing is the Simmental , the 2nd is Angus:</p><p> </p><p>Calving Ease First (tie) First</p><p>Weaning First First</p><p>%Choice First Second</p><p>Carcass Wt First First</p><p>Post Wean Gain First First</p><p>Pounds's of retail prod. Second First</p><p>Shear Force First (tie) First</p><p>Feed Efficiency by Wt Gain First Second</p><p>Feed Efficiency by Marbling First First</p><p>Feed Eff by Retail Products First Second</p><p>Feed Efficiency by Days Second Second</p><p>% Puberty First Second</p><p>% Pregnancy Second Third</p><p>Maternal Calving Ease First Second</p><p>Maternal Wean Weights Second First</p><p></p><p>Hope that made sense - didn't come out in columns like I had typed.</p><p>Now, this is info taken from an ASA report - data from MARC Report #22. I am trying to find out the other breeds involved & which was over these two breeds in the few catagories. I went to the MARC web site but didn't get anywhere. I'll call ASA today & see if I can get answers.</p><p>BUT, pretty impressive for the cross - don't you think? I have ALWAYS thought the two breeds complimented each other better than any other.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeanne - Simme Valley, post: 64449, member: 968"] Frankie, Hmm, I DID answer that question on one of the other threads - but I sure couldn't find it. Anyway, all I was trying to point out, was that "back in the late 60's & early 70's" many producers getting into the Simmental breed contracted Holstein dairies. They supplied the semen & got all the heifers at a preset price. They were the start of the black Simmentals because MOST beef farms (Angus) did not do any AI back than. And, yes, they came out tall & leggy & spotted. Just what they wanted back then. Angus has been the largest influence in our breed color through the years. Mostly because, Angus Simmental crosses are the best crosses possible. Now that should get people talking! Our Macho bull's great, great maternal grandmother is 1/4 Angus. I didn't go back far enough to find anything in the sire side - but surely it goes back to Angus somewhere. The latest US MARC research (Report #22) states that Simmental rank #1 in most economic traits among [b]Continental[/b] breeds - and that Angus rank #1 in most economic traits among [b]British[/b] breeds. Therefore it is common sense to breed the #1 British with the #1 Continental breed. I will list the rankings - the first placing is the Simmental , the 2nd is Angus: Calving Ease First (tie) First Weaning First First %Choice First Second Carcass Wt First First Post Wean Gain First First Pounds's of retail prod. Second First Shear Force First (tie) First Feed Efficiency by Wt Gain First Second Feed Efficiency by Marbling First First Feed Eff by Retail Products First Second Feed Efficiency by Days Second Second % Puberty First Second % Pregnancy Second Third Maternal Calving Ease First Second Maternal Wean Weights Second First Hope that made sense - didn't come out in columns like I had typed. Now, this is info taken from an ASA report - data from MARC Report #22. I am trying to find out the other breeds involved & which was over these two breeds in the few catagories. I went to the MARC web site but didn't get anywhere. I'll call ASA today & see if I can get answers. BUT, pretty impressive for the cross - don't you think? I have ALWAYS thought the two breeds complimented each other better than any other. [/QUOTE]
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