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<blockquote data-quote="waihou" data-source="post: 1030440" data-attributes="member: 6511"><p>I'm following this thread with interest, but from the bottom of the Pacific!</p><p>Re using B.Thumbs Up. We had one heifer by him, kept her for 4 calves but in the end her performance was dismal compared to the rest.</p><p>Here she is just starting labour and with her first calf as a 2yr old<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/SUEC/Startoflabour245pm-Copy.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/SUEC/f6b5402c.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>and as a 3 yr old with her second</p><p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/SUEC/DSC02039-1.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>She looked to be a good milker, but in the end, after 4 calves, her milk EPD was -4kgs to a breed standard average of +3kgs. </p><p>She was out of a Ballee cow too, so you can't entirely blame the maternal side! We bought the dam in calf, at a National sale, having been shown and won at one of our major shows as well.</p><p></p><p>I actually did a comparison between her and another cow, of our own breeding, they calved pretty well together to the same bull for their four calves, so I compared their weaning performance and pretty well concluded that the milk EPD's they had before their own first calves were born were accurate, despite what their udders looked like, the other cow with the + milk EPD, is now 11 years old, now has a milk EPD of + 8kgs and about to have her 10th calf. The B.T.U. cow had her head chopped off 6 years ago!</p><p>I know EPD's (or we call the EBV's) are not everything, but in most cases they actually tell a bit more of a story than just looking at the animal. I saw B.Thumbs Up, he had an impressive carcase alright, but performance wise, I will reserve my judgement, as based on just one progeny is not a lot to go on after all!</p><p></p><p>Yes we scan our R2's for fat, marbling and eye fillet size and also did the gene star tenderness test thing too, until the 57 gene test got to muddley to understand clearly at a glance <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="waihou, post: 1030440, member: 6511"] I'm following this thread with interest, but from the bottom of the Pacific! Re using B.Thumbs Up. We had one heifer by him, kept her for 4 calves but in the end her performance was dismal compared to the rest. Here she is just starting labour and with her first calf as a 2yr old[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/SUEC/Startoflabour245pm-Copy.jpg[/img] [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/SUEC/f6b5402c.jpg[/img] and as a 3 yr old with her second [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/SUEC/DSC02039-1.jpg[/img] She looked to be a good milker, but in the end, after 4 calves, her milk EPD was -4kgs to a breed standard average of +3kgs. She was out of a Ballee cow too, so you can't entirely blame the maternal side! We bought the dam in calf, at a National sale, having been shown and won at one of our major shows as well. I actually did a comparison between her and another cow, of our own breeding, they calved pretty well together to the same bull for their four calves, so I compared their weaning performance and pretty well concluded that the milk EPD's they had before their own first calves were born were accurate, despite what their udders looked like, the other cow with the + milk EPD, is now 11 years old, now has a milk EPD of + 8kgs and about to have her 10th calf. The B.T.U. cow had her head chopped off 6 years ago! I know EPD's (or we call the EBV's) are not everything, but in most cases they actually tell a bit more of a story than just looking at the animal. I saw B.Thumbs Up, he had an impressive carcase alright, but performance wise, I will reserve my judgement, as based on just one progeny is not a lot to go on after all! Yes we scan our R2's for fat, marbling and eye fillet size and also did the gene star tenderness test thing too, until the 57 gene test got to muddley to understand clearly at a glance :D [/QUOTE]
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