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<blockquote data-quote="Arnold Ziffle" data-source="post: 28729" data-attributes="member: 43"><p>Just read this thread and must say I'm really surprised by how even the voting on the poll is.</p><p></p><p>I imagine what got Blackpower stirred up this time was the recent post be a lady that had a cow that, based on her description, was suffering from trying to deliver a calf with a malpresentation (possibly breech) or maybe was just trying to deliver a very large calf through an impossibly narrow pelvis. She was offered some good advice (i.e. get the vet out there ASAP) and she posted back that she would wait until the next day when a friend of hers, that had raised cattle since she was a little girl, would come to take a look. No doubt that was a poor decision and she probably has suffered an economic loss and the cow suffered longer than need be. But I bet that particular poster was a true beginner and as Oldtimer mentioned, experience is the best teacher. And sometimes you make a lot of mistakes along the way.</p><p></p><p>But I absolutely agree with Dun, in that we certainly DON'T need another venue for government intervention, nor do we need lawsuits or other legal action taken as Blackpower suggested. The people that have the problems with their cattle and are either honestly unable to handle them adequately or that cavalierly choose to ignore them will both suffer the economic loss and I believe that to be punishment enough. Yes, some cattle seem to suffer needlessly when bad situations present themselves to inexperienced people. But bad things happen as well to cattle out on the really large ranches owned by very experienced people, but that are not as intensively managed as Blackpower's --- or on places owned by part-timers such as myself. Unpleasant, but probably the way mother nature intended it. But let's keep the government out of it!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arnold Ziffle, post: 28729, member: 43"] Just read this thread and must say I'm really surprised by how even the voting on the poll is. I imagine what got Blackpower stirred up this time was the recent post be a lady that had a cow that, based on her description, was suffering from trying to deliver a calf with a malpresentation (possibly breech) or maybe was just trying to deliver a very large calf through an impossibly narrow pelvis. She was offered some good advice (i.e. get the vet out there ASAP) and she posted back that she would wait until the next day when a friend of hers, that had raised cattle since she was a little girl, would come to take a look. No doubt that was a poor decision and she probably has suffered an economic loss and the cow suffered longer than need be. But I bet that particular poster was a true beginner and as Oldtimer mentioned, experience is the best teacher. And sometimes you make a lot of mistakes along the way. But I absolutely agree with Dun, in that we certainly DON’T need another venue for government intervention, nor do we need lawsuits or other legal action taken as Blackpower suggested. The people that have the problems with their cattle and are either honestly unable to handle them adequately or that cavalierly choose to ignore them will both suffer the economic loss and I believe that to be punishment enough. Yes, some cattle seem to suffer needlessly when bad situations present themselves to inexperienced people. But bad things happen as well to cattle out on the really large ranches owned by very experienced people, but that are not as intensively managed as Blackpower’s --- or on places owned by part-timers such as myself. Unpleasant, but probably the way mother nature intended it. But let’s keep the government out of it! [/QUOTE]
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