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<blockquote data-quote="CattleMan1920" data-source="post: 1573588" data-attributes="member: 37967"><p>Jeanne,</p><p></p><p>I have a bull for you, assuming you were in the Angus business. According to the ranch that owns his sire and the ranch that owned his great great grandsire, this bull has the entire package, but most of all he has some of the very best feet in the ENTIRE Angus breed. The operation that bred him said that his sire had the best feet they had ever seen in their entire VERY LONG career in the Angus business. His dam has excellent feet, she is a big framed Joy Erica cow. Feet as you know are extremely important to Angus breeders.</p><p></p><p>Here are his AAA# details (click link below)</p><p></p><p>http://bit.ly/2VbRsuF</p><p></p><p>Here is a link to Youtube for a video of him, not in straw or deep grass, more like a gravel drive.</p><p></p><p>http://bit.ly/2UJJyck</p><p></p><p>He may be sold next week to a large scale commercial cattleman that typically uses Black Limousin bulls along with Gelbvieh bulls. He told me that he really liked the way this bull walked and his overall structure. He saw something I didn't.</p><p></p><p>Now here is the punchline. His numbers are NOTHING to write home about. Most Angus breeders would not be interested if they were going strictly on numbers. So what gives, would you buy a bull strictly on phenotype, and ignore numbers completely? I can understand if you want a certain pedigreed animal in the bloodline, but overall, it's not the plan I'm on. By the way, he was semen tested and the vet said it was the highest amount of swimmers she had ever seen, he has a big scrotal circumference for his age, and he has a big curly-haired neck, he's definitely potent.</p><p></p><p>All the DNA test is doing as far as I'm concerned is comparing one animal against the entire group that has already been submitted. It tells you where you stand. It's not an absolute prediction of what is to come. I have a Harvestor bull that I just put to work that does not have spectacular numbers, but he has a strong pedigree, he looks excellent, and he passed his BSE with flying colors at 12 months. He's out working right now as a very young bull and getting the job done on cleanup.</p><p></p><p>I'm not obsessed with the numbers, but I do watch them closely. Trying to sell bulls that have poor EPD's is not an easy task.</p><p></p><p>Let me ask everyone a question here on CT? Based on what you have seen above, should I keep this bull and use him extensively? His great great grandsire was supposedly a king when it came to efficiency, and his feet are superb. Am I completely missing something here because I'm focused on his numbers? I would assume that someone like NEFarmWife would not touch this bull with a 10 foot pole because of his $B and growth characteristics. His 205 was 687 pounds, and that was under perfect conditions, he never saw a bad day ever.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CattleMan1920, post: 1573588, member: 37967"] Jeanne, I have a bull for you, assuming you were in the Angus business. According to the ranch that owns his sire and the ranch that owned his great great grandsire, this bull has the entire package, but most of all he has some of the very best feet in the ENTIRE Angus breed. The operation that bred him said that his sire had the best feet they had ever seen in their entire VERY LONG career in the Angus business. His dam has excellent feet, she is a big framed Joy Erica cow. Feet as you know are extremely important to Angus breeders. Here are his AAA# details (click link below) http://bit.ly/2VbRsuF Here is a link to Youtube for a video of him, not in straw or deep grass, more like a gravel drive. http://bit.ly/2UJJyck He may be sold next week to a large scale commercial cattleman that typically uses Black Limousin bulls along with Gelbvieh bulls. He told me that he really liked the way this bull walked and his overall structure. He saw something I didn't. Now here is the punchline. His numbers are NOTHING to write home about. Most Angus breeders would not be interested if they were going strictly on numbers. So what gives, would you buy a bull strictly on phenotype, and ignore numbers completely? I can understand if you want a certain pedigreed animal in the bloodline, but overall, it's not the plan I'm on. By the way, he was semen tested and the vet said it was the highest amount of swimmers she had ever seen, he has a big scrotal circumference for his age, and he has a big curly-haired neck, he's definitely potent. All the DNA test is doing as far as I'm concerned is comparing one animal against the entire group that has already been submitted. It tells you where you stand. It's not an absolute prediction of what is to come. I have a Harvestor bull that I just put to work that does not have spectacular numbers, but he has a strong pedigree, he looks excellent, and he passed his BSE with flying colors at 12 months. He's out working right now as a very young bull and getting the job done on cleanup. I'm not obsessed with the numbers, but I do watch them closely. Trying to sell bulls that have poor EPD's is not an easy task. Let me ask everyone a question here on CT? Based on what you have seen above, should I keep this bull and use him extensively? His great great grandsire was supposedly a king when it came to efficiency, and his feet are superb. Am I completely missing something here because I'm focused on his numbers? I would assume that someone like NEFarmWife would not touch this bull with a 10 foot pole because of his $B and growth characteristics. His 205 was 687 pounds, and that was under perfect conditions, he never saw a bad day ever. [/QUOTE]
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