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<blockquote data-quote="YoungAngusCattle" data-source="post: 1568780" data-attributes="member: 38301"><p>A couple more questions I was thinking about today. There's gonna be a lot of what ifs in this so bare with me.</p><p></p><p>In a scenario that is hypothetical, Let's say I have too equally sized pastures. In pasture A I have my new bull, let's call him Tom, and the heifers I get from Tom go to pasture B to be breed to a bull, called Lucky, that has no common ancestors with Tom. Then I take the heifers that I get out of the Tom X Lucky breeding and put them back into pasture A to be bred with Tom, their grandsire.</p><p></p><p>In a perfect world you are culling everything that isn't the best of the best and by the time the bull is breeding his grand daughters it has been four or five years so you are probably think about bulls in a few years.</p><p></p><p>From what I understand that isn't enough line breeding to really solidify the genetics in those cattle made from the grand sire to grand daughter mating, is that correct? </p><p></p><p>Say these grand sire to grand daughter females are top shelf females. Do you breed them back to Tom, their sire, to solidify the genes that made these females great? Do you put them back in pasture B, with Lucky, to just keep repeating the cycle till it's time for new bulls? Or do you AI them to proven bull, further increasing your available gene pool?</p><p></p><p>This whole thing made more sense in my head.</p><p></p><p>Then what do when it's time for new bulls? Go buy bulls from another top seed stock operation? AI some of the Tom X Lucky X Tom cows with a proven AI bull hoping for a couple new herd bulls that fit your goals as an operation? Keep back some really top notched Tom X Lucky X Tom bull and then have a clusterf*ck of a line breeding that I can't even begin to try to understand right now?</p><p></p><p>I may be overthink this seed stock thing a little much, but I just have to get a rough idea of the plan that needs to be in place. Needless to say I think about cows more than I'd care to admit to you guys right now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="YoungAngusCattle, post: 1568780, member: 38301"] A couple more questions I was thinking about today. There's gonna be a lot of what ifs in this so bare with me. In a scenario that is hypothetical, Let's say I have too equally sized pastures. In pasture A I have my new bull, let's call him Tom, and the heifers I get from Tom go to pasture B to be breed to a bull, called Lucky, that has no common ancestors with Tom. Then I take the heifers that I get out of the Tom X Lucky breeding and put them back into pasture A to be bred with Tom, their grandsire. In a perfect world you are culling everything that isn't the best of the best and by the time the bull is breeding his grand daughters it has been four or five years so you are probably think about bulls in a few years. From what I understand that isn't enough line breeding to really solidify the genetics in those cattle made from the grand sire to grand daughter mating, is that correct? Say these grand sire to grand daughter females are top shelf females. Do you breed them back to Tom, their sire, to solidify the genes that made these females great? Do you put them back in pasture B, with Lucky, to just keep repeating the cycle till it's time for new bulls? Or do you AI them to proven bull, further increasing your available gene pool? This whole thing made more sense in my head. Then what do when it's time for new bulls? Go buy bulls from another top seed stock operation? AI some of the Tom X Lucky X Tom cows with a proven AI bull hoping for a couple new herd bulls that fit your goals as an operation? Keep back some really top notched Tom X Lucky X Tom bull and then have a clusterf*ck of a line breeding that I can't even begin to try to understand right now? I may be overthink this seed stock thing a little much, but I just have to get a rough idea of the plan that needs to be in place. Needless to say I think about cows more than I'd care to admit to you guys right now. [/QUOTE]
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