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<blockquote data-quote="rogergreaves" data-source="post: 1238296" data-attributes="member: 22540"><p>He's a W-2 employee. He pays half the FICA and Medicare and the Church pays the employer half. Same as almost all employees. The collar is not what determines the employer/employee relationship with the IRS. The Churches that you are referring to are the ones where a "minister" sets up a church and has ownership of the entity. I think all (every one that I know of) Lutheran Churches are owned by the congregation, they are "not for profit" corporations with boards of directors who run them. The pastor is a hired hand, they come and go. The Catholic model is not far different except that the ownership is at the Diocese level I think. Priests are also hired hands. That's a lot of the Churches in the US.</p><p></p><p>The issue was the statement that Churches don't pay taxes which I will re-iterate is false. Even the minister-as-owner model pays some sort of income tax if the income is at a level where tax is due. Self employed people pay the full FICA and Medicare out of their pocket, collar or not.</p><p></p><p>That's not to say that there aren't some scams going on out there but, I can tell you for a fact that the vast majority of churches are working very hard to stay on the right side of the law and endure scrutiny that you can't imagine. Our financial statement is audited yearly and certified by an accountant. Every expenditure has a receipt to justify it. It's a public document. The Treasurer also publishes a monthly financial statement in our newsletter which anyone can have a copy of. Send me your email and I'll get you a subscription. I don't know how an outfit could be any more transparent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rogergreaves, post: 1238296, member: 22540"] He's a W-2 employee. He pays half the FICA and Medicare and the Church pays the employer half. Same as almost all employees. The collar is not what determines the employer/employee relationship with the IRS. The Churches that you are referring to are the ones where a "minister" sets up a church and has ownership of the entity. I think all (every one that I know of) Lutheran Churches are owned by the congregation, they are "not for profit" corporations with boards of directors who run them. The pastor is a hired hand, they come and go. The Catholic model is not far different except that the ownership is at the Diocese level I think. Priests are also hired hands. That's a lot of the Churches in the US. The issue was the statement that Churches don't pay taxes which I will re-iterate is false. Even the minister-as-owner model pays some sort of income tax if the income is at a level where tax is due. Self employed people pay the full FICA and Medicare out of their pocket, collar or not. That's not to say that there aren't some scams going on out there but, I can tell you for a fact that the vast majority of churches are working very hard to stay on the right side of the law and endure scrutiny that you can't imagine. Our financial statement is audited yearly and certified by an accountant. Every expenditure has a receipt to justify it. It's a public document. The Treasurer also publishes a monthly financial statement in our newsletter which anyone can have a copy of. Send me your email and I'll get you a subscription. I don't know how an outfit could be any more transparent. [/QUOTE]
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