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<blockquote data-quote="1982vett" data-source="post: 609773" data-attributes="member: 7795"><p>No I get the point, I just think most are in the position they are because of themselves, if not because of their government. Don't much care for all the guilt trips some organizations and prima donnas lay on the public either, especially when their methods are so questionable. Tell the same lie often enough and sooner or later it is hard to distinguish fact from fiction. Liberals are masters of this techinque. </p><p></p><p>Ben Franklin said, "God helps those who help themselves". I tend to follow this philosophy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><em>Question: "God helps those who help themselves - is it in the Bible?"</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Answer: "God helps those who help themselves" is probably the most often quoted phrase that is not found in the Bible. This is actually a quote from Ben Franklin and it appeared in Poor Richard's Almanac in 1757. In fact the Bible teaches the opposite. God helps the helpless! Isaiah 25:4 declares, "For You have been a defense for the helpless, a defense for the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shade from the heat..." Romans 5:6 tells us, "For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly."</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>In terms of salvation, we are all utterly helpless. We are all infected by sin (Romans 3:23), and condemned as a result of that sin (Romans 6:23). Nothing we can do on our own can remedy this situation (Isaiah 64:6). Thankfully, God is the helper of the helpless. While we were still sinners, Jesus died for us (Romans 5:8). Jesus paid the penalty that we were incapable of paying (2 Corinthians 5:21). God provided the "help" that we need precisely because we could not help ourselves.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Apart from salvation, there is perhaps a way that the concept "God helps those who help themselves" is correct. As an example, if you asked me to help you move a piece of furniture, but then just watched me as I moved the furniture for you, I was not actually helping you. I would be doing the work for you. Many Christians fall into the trap of inactivity. Many Christians ask God for help, but then expect God to do everything Himself. They excuse this by pointing to the fact that God will provide according to His will and in His timing. However, this is not a reason for inactivity. As a specific example, if you are in need of a job, ask the Lord to help you find a job - but then be active in actually looking for a job. While it is in His power to do so, it is highly unlikely that God will cause employers to come looking for you!</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><a href="http://www.gotquestions.org/God-help-themselves.html" target="_blank">http://www.gotquestions.org/God-help-themselves.html</a></em></p><p></p><p>Now for waste of good opportunities. How many millions were spent on just the recent US elections for a job that pays a mere pittance of the money spent to get it. The "volunteers" time could well have been used elsewhere for greater humanitarian work, but no, they didn't do that. Is that just in this country or is it a world wide phenomenon?</p><p></p><p>Their is also a difference in freely giving and forced giving thru taxation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="1982vett, post: 609773, member: 7795"] No I get the point, I just think most are in the position they are because of themselves, if not because of their government. Don't much care for all the guilt trips some organizations and prima donnas lay on the public either, especially when their methods are so questionable. Tell the same lie often enough and sooner or later it is hard to distinguish fact from fiction. Liberals are masters of this techinque. Ben Franklin said, "God helps those who help themselves". I tend to follow this philosophy. [i]Question: "God helps those who help themselves - is it in the Bible?" Answer: "God helps those who help themselves" is probably the most often quoted phrase that is not found in the Bible. This is actually a quote from Ben Franklin and it appeared in Poor Richard's Almanac in 1757. In fact the Bible teaches the opposite. God helps the helpless! Isaiah 25:4 declares, "For You have been a defense for the helpless, a defense for the needy in his distress, a refuge from the storm, a shade from the heat..." Romans 5:6 tells us, "For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly." In terms of salvation, we are all utterly helpless. We are all infected by sin (Romans 3:23), and condemned as a result of that sin (Romans 6:23). Nothing we can do on our own can remedy this situation (Isaiah 64:6). Thankfully, God is the helper of the helpless. While we were still sinners, Jesus died for us (Romans 5:8). Jesus paid the penalty that we were incapable of paying (2 Corinthians 5:21). God provided the "help" that we need precisely because we could not help ourselves. Apart from salvation, there is perhaps a way that the concept "God helps those who help themselves" is correct. As an example, if you asked me to help you move a piece of furniture, but then just watched me as I moved the furniture for you, I was not actually helping you. I would be doing the work for you. Many Christians fall into the trap of inactivity. Many Christians ask God for help, but then expect God to do everything Himself. They excuse this by pointing to the fact that God will provide according to His will and in His timing. However, this is not a reason for inactivity. As a specific example, if you are in need of a job, ask the Lord to help you find a job - but then be active in actually looking for a job. While it is in His power to do so, it is highly unlikely that God will cause employers to come looking for you! [url=http://www.gotquestions.org/God-help-themselves.html]http://www.gotquestions.org/God-help-themselves.html[/url][/i] Now for waste of good opportunities. How many millions were spent on just the recent US elections for a job that pays a mere pittance of the money spent to get it. The "volunteers" time could well have been used elsewhere for greater humanitarian work, but no, they didn't do that. Is that just in this country or is it a world wide phenomenon? Their is also a difference in freely giving and forced giving thru taxation. [/QUOTE]
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