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<blockquote data-quote="farmerjan" data-source="post: 1579241" data-attributes="member: 25884"><p>I can say that the more calm handling of calves will help to instill in them a calmer disposition as they get older. But again, the DNA and genetics will come out and the nuts will always be nuts. I have one pasture where I calve out the first calf heifers. The calves learn to come in the catch pen through a creep gate and I feed them a little grain. Not regular creep feeding but as a treat and to teach them to come in and be around me. There are a few in every group that are just more standoffish and flighty. Sometimes they will calm down more, but have one nice heifer right now that will go off the wall if I lock the barn door and just have them inside. </p><p>These are not like BR's cattle that get haltered and all, and not saying that is bad. These are just commercial cattle that get a little more people time then alot of commercial cattle. This heifer has already gone over the dividing gate into the next pen, and she will get culled no matter how nice she continues to grow. They don't have to want to be petted although it would be nice if they were as tame as Lithuanian Farmers are. But this one heifer will be the one that will take the rest out the gate or refuse to come in the catch pen and such in the future. Or hurt you when she calves. </p><p> I also have spent time over the years putting the cattle in a pen and having them walk down the alley and out the chute without catching them. Then when we do put them in and catch their heads, they often get a little bit of grain and know that the head catch is not the end of the world. Don't do it as much as I used to due to cattle being away from the barns more. It really did help to get them to not fight going into the alley and the chute. We always feed a little grain at the pastures to keep the cows coming and the ones that are too flighty or standoffish will get culled. Since we raise many of the heifers as replacements, the calmer ones get kept. And they learn that there is a grain treat for them and they learn to come into the catch pens with no big deal and their calves learn that momma thinks this is a good thing so no big deal. We have cattle that will load themselves in the trailer in the field thinking they are going to a new pasture with grass. Several of our bulls have learned that the trailer means they are going to see some new girlfriends and will load themselves in the trailer with just a little bit of grain right out in the field. </p><p>I have found that it seems to be something they learn from their momma and being around her for the 5-8 months they are with them. We also see it in certain families. No need to get hurt by the crazy wild ones. Regardless of how nice of a calf they raise.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="farmerjan, post: 1579241, member: 25884"] I can say that the more calm handling of calves will help to instill in them a calmer disposition as they get older. But again, the DNA and genetics will come out and the nuts will always be nuts. I have one pasture where I calve out the first calf heifers. The calves learn to come in the catch pen through a creep gate and I feed them a little grain. Not regular creep feeding but as a treat and to teach them to come in and be around me. There are a few in every group that are just more standoffish and flighty. Sometimes they will calm down more, but have one nice heifer right now that will go off the wall if I lock the barn door and just have them inside. These are not like BR's cattle that get haltered and all, and not saying that is bad. These are just commercial cattle that get a little more people time then alot of commercial cattle. This heifer has already gone over the dividing gate into the next pen, and she will get culled no matter how nice she continues to grow. They don't have to want to be petted although it would be nice if they were as tame as Lithuanian Farmers are. But this one heifer will be the one that will take the rest out the gate or refuse to come in the catch pen and such in the future. Or hurt you when she calves. I also have spent time over the years putting the cattle in a pen and having them walk down the alley and out the chute without catching them. Then when we do put them in and catch their heads, they often get a little bit of grain and know that the head catch is not the end of the world. Don't do it as much as I used to due to cattle being away from the barns more. It really did help to get them to not fight going into the alley and the chute. We always feed a little grain at the pastures to keep the cows coming and the ones that are too flighty or standoffish will get culled. Since we raise many of the heifers as replacements, the calmer ones get kept. And they learn that there is a grain treat for them and they learn to come into the catch pens with no big deal and their calves learn that momma thinks this is a good thing so no big deal. We have cattle that will load themselves in the trailer in the field thinking they are going to a new pasture with grass. Several of our bulls have learned that the trailer means they are going to see some new girlfriends and will load themselves in the trailer with just a little bit of grain right out in the field. I have found that it seems to be something they learn from their momma and being around her for the 5-8 months they are with them. We also see it in certain families. No need to get hurt by the crazy wild ones. Regardless of how nice of a calf they raise. [/QUOTE]
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