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Teachers -- "What do they make?"
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<blockquote data-quote="angie1" data-source="post: 900468" data-attributes="member: 3886"><p>TB, I would really like to wow you with an articulate, well thought out response backed by research, but I seriously don't have the time, if I wait until the weekend it will no longer matter (to me, at any rate) and it looks like Larry covered 2 of my bases already (thanks Larry!). </p><p></p><p>In preperation for my Wow factor response, I researched your first quote from the TCoTT report and found it to be incomplete, the actual quote is:</p><p><em>"We are now recruiting more of our teachers from the bottom third of the high school students going to college than is wise."</em></p><p>The last 3 words were, in my opinion, intentionally left out by the authors of the first article you quote. Including them makes the statement a nonsense statement, and does nothing to make their point. </p><p></p><p>I looked into getting the NTCQ reports, but there are several reports from 2004, and I don't have the time to sort through them (I am thinking you must either be the boss or be retired!). I would also add that teaching certification qualifications have and continue to change, becoming more stringent. While that is a very good thing, it makes statistics from 2004 nothing more than interesting. </p><p></p><p>Quite honestly, the information I was requesting was where you found the numbers for your first quote "a huge majority of public school teachers come from the bottom 15-20% of the class." ~ the response that prompted my reply in the first place.</p><p></p><p>Lunch is almost over, but I want to reiterate ~ I have been in the public school system a long time. I regret that you have poor examples in your family and maybe in your experience as a student or parent of students. As I stated earlier, I am impressed again and again by the intelligence of my colleagues, by their comittment to continuing their education, their knowledge in their field (personally I don't care if the teacher teaching my kid to write an essay can figure out what "25% off" means), their ability to discuss current local and world events responsibly and intelligently with students (an ability I find lacking in too many adults these days) and their commitment to student achievement, demonstrated on a <u>daily basis.</u></p><p></p><p>Probably will wish I had said more or less or different, but lunch is officially done so I am too! :tiphat:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="angie1, post: 900468, member: 3886"] TB, I would really like to wow you with an articulate, well thought out response backed by research, but I seriously don't have the time, if I wait until the weekend it will no longer matter (to me, at any rate) and it looks like Larry covered 2 of my bases already (thanks Larry!). In preperation for my Wow factor response, I researched your first quote from the TCoTT report and found it to be incomplete, the actual quote is: [i]"We are now recruiting more of our teachers from the bottom third of the high school students going to college than is wise."[/i] The last 3 words were, in my opinion, intentionally left out by the authors of the first article you quote. Including them makes the statement a nonsense statement, and does nothing to make their point. I looked into getting the NTCQ reports, but there are several reports from 2004, and I don't have the time to sort through them (I am thinking you must either be the boss or be retired!). I would also add that teaching certification qualifications have and continue to change, becoming more stringent. While that is a very good thing, it makes statistics from 2004 nothing more than interesting. Quite honestly, the information I was requesting was where you found the numbers for your first quote "a huge majority of public school teachers come from the bottom 15-20% of the class." ~ the response that prompted my reply in the first place. Lunch is almost over, but I want to reiterate ~ I have been in the public school system a long time. I regret that you have poor examples in your family and maybe in your experience as a student or parent of students. As I stated earlier, I am impressed again and again by the intelligence of my colleagues, by their comittment to continuing their education, their knowledge in their field (personally I don't care if the teacher teaching my kid to write an essay can figure out what "25% off" means), their ability to discuss current local and world events responsibly and intelligently with students (an ability I find lacking in too many adults these days) and their commitment to student achievement, demonstrated on a [u]daily basis.[/u] Probably will wish I had said more or less or different, but lunch is officially done so I am too! :tiphat: [/QUOTE]
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