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<blockquote data-quote="Lucky_P" data-source="post: 1462056" data-attributes="member: 12607"><p>Plenty of black - and a lot of homozygous black/homo polled - bulls in many breeds anymore. Simmental, Gelbvieh, Limousin, Braunvieh, Maine-Anjou, etc. If you want black, you're not limited to Angus, and calving ease/birthweight is not an issue anymore; this is not 1977... I can find plenty of low BW/high CE bulls in the continental breeds that are just as easy calving as any Angus sire. </p><p>All breeds have something to offer. All I feel like we got from Angus, when we swung back to them after 20 years of breeding Simmental influence, was black hair. Have gone back to black Simmentals and are much happier with the resulting calves - both females and steers.</p><p>Even most of the Simmental sires out there anymore are solid black... we've had to hunt quite a bit to find baldy/blaze-faced bulls that fit our goals/criteria. Same for Gelbvieh, Limousin, etc. - most are solid black.</p><p></p><p>In response to your line of reasoning:</p><p>1. My black SM-sired calves will almost always weigh more than the Angus-sired calves out of the same group of cows. </p><p>2. I'm using the same black Simmental sire on my heifers and adult cows</p><p>3. Availability... we use AI to a large extent, but keep a bull on hand for 'cleanup'... usually for 5-7 years or more before we need to replace; I don't have any trouble finding a replacement when I need one.</p><p>4. Any heifer out of a good cow here could potentially stay as a replacement, whether sired by an Angus, Simmental, Shorthorn, or Braunvieh sire. </p><p>5.Database? Sure, there are more registered Angus than any other breed. Plenty of choices in most of the others though.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lucky_P, post: 1462056, member: 12607"] Plenty of black - and a lot of homozygous black/homo polled - bulls in many breeds anymore. Simmental, Gelbvieh, Limousin, Braunvieh, Maine-Anjou, etc. If you want black, you're not limited to Angus, and calving ease/birthweight is not an issue anymore; this is not 1977... I can find plenty of low BW/high CE bulls in the continental breeds that are just as easy calving as any Angus sire. All breeds have something to offer. All I feel like we got from Angus, when we swung back to them after 20 years of breeding Simmental influence, was black hair. Have gone back to black Simmentals and are much happier with the resulting calves - both females and steers. Even most of the Simmental sires out there anymore are solid black... we've had to hunt quite a bit to find baldy/blaze-faced bulls that fit our goals/criteria. Same for Gelbvieh, Limousin, etc. - most are solid black. In response to your line of reasoning: 1. My black SM-sired calves will almost always weigh more than the Angus-sired calves out of the same group of cows. 2. I'm using the same black Simmental sire on my heifers and adult cows 3. Availability... we use AI to a large extent, but keep a bull on hand for 'cleanup'... usually for 5-7 years or more before we need to replace; I don't have any trouble finding a replacement when I need one. 4. Any heifer out of a good cow here could potentially stay as a replacement, whether sired by an Angus, Simmental, Shorthorn, or Braunvieh sire. 5.Database? Sure, there are more registered Angus than any other breed. Plenty of choices in most of the others though. [/QUOTE]
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