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<blockquote data-quote="Jeanne - Simme Valley" data-source="post: 1835447" data-attributes="member: 968"><p>Not quite correct. LIVE evaluation, they have to be 51% black hided, no hump, no dairy appearance, BUT - they have to GRADE MODEST or higher (Choice Grade).</p><p></p><p>Also, not quite right. They have to grade CHOICE (Modest or better). -- Oh, I see Simme explained that.</p><p></p><p>The Holstein x Angus steer shown somewhere above is totally NON-TYPICAL for that cross. Maybe it was a % Holstein??? Anyway, by live evaluation, THAT steer would have passed. But that is deceiving to many people. THAT steer is not what 99.9% of the cross is going to look like.</p><p></p><p>Just wanted to back track a little bit on the discussion of the black Simmentals. You have to remember black gene is dominant. I had black Simmentals back in 1970's. I never bred to a black commercial animal again. So, before there were black Simmental bulls available (and after) I had black Simmental cows that had generations of Fullblood bulls. I never bred to a black Simmental bull until I used my own bull, Simme Valley Macho As U (my avatar) - born in 2002. What I'm getting at is that breeders did not use Angus bulls until maybe the last ? 15 years? going back to % Simmentals because it is a hot item. </p><p>I (and MANY other purebred breeders) have NEVER bred to an Angus bull. Back in the 80's - 90's slowly there were PB black Simmental bulls available to use. I never used any of them until maybe in the 2010's because they weren't as good as my own cows.</p><p>Over the past 5-10 years, I have used maybe 2 bulls that were 3/4% Simmental - 1/4% Angus (which produces a PB if bred to a PB). So, a few of my cows have 1/8% if they stayed in my herd. </p><p>Modern day black Simmental bulls have a higher chance of having % Angus in their DNA.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jeanne - Simme Valley, post: 1835447, member: 968"] Not quite correct. LIVE evaluation, they have to be 51% black hided, no hump, no dairy appearance, BUT - they have to GRADE MODEST or higher (Choice Grade). Also, not quite right. They have to grade CHOICE (Modest or better). -- Oh, I see Simme explained that. The Holstein x Angus steer shown somewhere above is totally NON-TYPICAL for that cross. Maybe it was a % Holstein??? Anyway, by live evaluation, THAT steer would have passed. But that is deceiving to many people. THAT steer is not what 99.9% of the cross is going to look like. Just wanted to back track a little bit on the discussion of the black Simmentals. You have to remember black gene is dominant. I had black Simmentals back in 1970's. I never bred to a black commercial animal again. So, before there were black Simmental bulls available (and after) I had black Simmental cows that had generations of Fullblood bulls. I never bred to a black Simmental bull until I used my own bull, Simme Valley Macho As U (my avatar) - born in 2002. What I'm getting at is that breeders did not use Angus bulls until maybe the last ? 15 years? going back to % Simmentals because it is a hot item. I (and MANY other purebred breeders) have NEVER bred to an Angus bull. Back in the 80's - 90's slowly there were PB black Simmental bulls available to use. I never used any of them until maybe in the 2010's because they weren't as good as my own cows. Over the past 5-10 years, I have used maybe 2 bulls that were 3/4% Simmental - 1/4% Angus (which produces a PB if bred to a PB). So, a few of my cows have 1/8% if they stayed in my herd. Modern day black Simmental bulls have a higher chance of having % Angus in their DNA. [/QUOTE]
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