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<blockquote data-quote="farmerjan" data-source="post: 1742549" data-attributes="member: 25884"><p>Unless they are certified organic, I can tell you that the Amish and Mennonites use pesticides and herbicides just like any other conventional farmer. I work with many of them and spend time on their farms. </p><p>There were as many or more crop failures back in the "good ole days" that you are romanticizing... it was not done "quite feasibly" as you say... crops were not near as productive and people ate less and made do with less. Sure, many of us probably need to eat a little less... There was a lot more hand labor, and as far as the excessive cultivation causing dust and erosion... that is true... but that is why minimum tillage and no-till has become popular and to do so then you need some herbicides to control the weeds. </p><p>I grow a completely "organic " garden, I tend to have some severe reactions to some of the chemicals used on the farms.... I don't like "poisoning" the land... I mulch heavily and do any cultivating by hand that needs to be done... Unless you are going to go back to the horse and plow, and that is fine if you want to... but it is not a practical way to produce enough to survive and make a living. That is why organic crops that go into organic feed are so expensive... because of the man hours that have to go into the crops. And if they are honest they will tell you about the failures and the cost to their bottom line. </p><p>The Amish and Mennonites live by a different set of rules... their churches will finance them if they want to buy property BUT..... you will tow their line for that privilege. Some of the things they do are wonderful ways to live... they take care of their own... but you have to tow the line in order to be accepted in that circle. </p><p>They are also hypocrites in some ways... not allow electricity in their homes, but many of them have the electricity in their barns and so a freezer and other things that are not in the public's view. Can't own a vehicle but think nothing of hiring someone to take them somewhere... or the ones that have tractors, to drive their tractors to places we would normally drive our truck to... </p><p>Many are good stewards of the land... but an animal is just a commodity to them. It either serves a purpose, or they get rid of it... there is no room for emotional attachment to anything. They will use an antibiotic to treat an animal just the same as you or I... if the animal does not come around quickly, it is culled as soon as it can be legally sold... I have seen them sell a good milking cow because she takes too long in the barn... holds up a shift of cows. There will be more to come along to take her place. No sentimental feelings are wasted on their animals....They are not cruel, just believe that the animal is there for their benefit and if it does not "show a profit" in one form or another, it needs to be replaced. Cut and dry...</p><p>Some of the biggest "puppy mills" are on Amish farms.... they are in it to make a profit; they provide basic care but there is no place for sentiment</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="farmerjan, post: 1742549, member: 25884"] Unless they are certified organic, I can tell you that the Amish and Mennonites use pesticides and herbicides just like any other conventional farmer. I work with many of them and spend time on their farms. There were as many or more crop failures back in the "good ole days" that you are romanticizing... it was not done "quite feasibly" as you say... crops were not near as productive and people ate less and made do with less. Sure, many of us probably need to eat a little less... There was a lot more hand labor, and as far as the excessive cultivation causing dust and erosion... that is true... but that is why minimum tillage and no-till has become popular and to do so then you need some herbicides to control the weeds. I grow a completely "organic " garden, I tend to have some severe reactions to some of the chemicals used on the farms.... I don't like "poisoning" the land... I mulch heavily and do any cultivating by hand that needs to be done... Unless you are going to go back to the horse and plow, and that is fine if you want to... but it is not a practical way to produce enough to survive and make a living. That is why organic crops that go into organic feed are so expensive... because of the man hours that have to go into the crops. And if they are honest they will tell you about the failures and the cost to their bottom line. The Amish and Mennonites live by a different set of rules... their churches will finance them if they want to buy property BUT..... you will tow their line for that privilege. Some of the things they do are wonderful ways to live... they take care of their own... but you have to tow the line in order to be accepted in that circle. They are also hypocrites in some ways... not allow electricity in their homes, but many of them have the electricity in their barns and so a freezer and other things that are not in the public's view. Can't own a vehicle but think nothing of hiring someone to take them somewhere... or the ones that have tractors, to drive their tractors to places we would normally drive our truck to... Many are good stewards of the land... but an animal is just a commodity to them. It either serves a purpose, or they get rid of it... there is no room for emotional attachment to anything. They will use an antibiotic to treat an animal just the same as you or I... if the animal does not come around quickly, it is culled as soon as it can be legally sold... I have seen them sell a good milking cow because she takes too long in the barn... holds up a shift of cows. There will be more to come along to take her place. No sentimental feelings are wasted on their animals....They are not cruel, just believe that the animal is there for their benefit and if it does not "show a profit" in one form or another, it needs to be replaced. Cut and dry... Some of the biggest "puppy mills" are on Amish farms.... they are in it to make a profit; they provide basic care but there is no place for sentiment [/QUOTE]
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