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<blockquote data-quote="Dega Moo" data-source="post: 1102287" data-attributes="member: 19930"><p>TB: I was sober and remain so. I had a large corporate background and about 10 years ago something clearly had occurred and gotten the attention of those high up and there was a big push to get everyone in the company through what was called diversity training, diversity being race, gender, age and sexual orientation. At the end of the training everyone was asked/instructed to sign a form stating that they had taken the training and by signing they were promising they would not at work discriminate against anyone based on their race, gender, age or sexual orientation. </p><p></p><p>One fellow who worked for me refused to sign the form, his argument being he was religiously opposed to accepting in any manner the sexual orientation clause. He spoke with the trainer and the corporate attorney who had been there the entire time. He was allowed to return to work.</p><p></p><p>Now this guy was a below average performer anyway so I didn't really care but a year or so later I was instructed to begin managing his performance. It became pretty clear to me over the next couple of months that I was actually being asked to manage him right out of the company, for whatever reason. I always wonder if the real reason to get rid of him was this guys refusal to treat gays in the workplace in a manner acceptable to the company. He ended up getting a job that paid a lot less than what he made before. </p><p></p><p>That was anecdotal so doesn't really count. What does count is that nearly every corporation and business today bases pay and advancement opportunities on results and profits over both the short term and long term. Refusal to accept money from, to serve or sell to gays, to mistreat them in the workplace is widely frowned upon in the corporate world and would limit advancement opportunities in that corporate world. That's a large portion of the opportunities in this world.</p><p></p><p>Is it not clear that the refusal to work with gays would certainly limit one from getting a job at Disney? If you work for McDonald's selling hamburgers to the public are you allowed to decide who is gay and who is not and refuse them service? Do you think the major car manufactures would willingly accept a dealership that discriminates for any reason? They want to know the color of the money, not much else. The owner of that dealership won't accept someone working for them who won't sell a car to someone because that person is gay. They won't accept a mechanic who wants to know if the owner is gay. The guy that owns that dealership has a lot of money invested and at risk and his investors probably would be concerned if he allowed that to happen. </p><p></p><p>So yes, refusal to work with gays, refusal to sell to gays, refusal to work for gays will limit the opportunities for one to succeed financially and career wise and teaching your children and grandchildren to be so absolute in these beliefs will limit their opportunities. You may not want it to be that way and you may fervently believe you are right in your beliefs but I would hope you could realistically say 'I understand that' rather than call it 'shyt' and hope you don't have to deal with reality.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dega Moo, post: 1102287, member: 19930"] TB: I was sober and remain so. I had a large corporate background and about 10 years ago something clearly had occurred and gotten the attention of those high up and there was a big push to get everyone in the company through what was called diversity training, diversity being race, gender, age and sexual orientation. At the end of the training everyone was asked/instructed to sign a form stating that they had taken the training and by signing they were promising they would not at work discriminate against anyone based on their race, gender, age or sexual orientation. One fellow who worked for me refused to sign the form, his argument being he was religiously opposed to accepting in any manner the sexual orientation clause. He spoke with the trainer and the corporate attorney who had been there the entire time. He was allowed to return to work. Now this guy was a below average performer anyway so I didn't really care but a year or so later I was instructed to begin managing his performance. It became pretty clear to me over the next couple of months that I was actually being asked to manage him right out of the company, for whatever reason. I always wonder if the real reason to get rid of him was this guys refusal to treat gays in the workplace in a manner acceptable to the company. He ended up getting a job that paid a lot less than what he made before. That was anecdotal so doesn't really count. What does count is that nearly every corporation and business today bases pay and advancement opportunities on results and profits over both the short term and long term. Refusal to accept money from, to serve or sell to gays, to mistreat them in the workplace is widely frowned upon in the corporate world and would limit advancement opportunities in that corporate world. That's a large portion of the opportunities in this world. Is it not clear that the refusal to work with gays would certainly limit one from getting a job at Disney? If you work for McDonald's selling hamburgers to the public are you allowed to decide who is gay and who is not and refuse them service? Do you think the major car manufactures would willingly accept a dealership that discriminates for any reason? They want to know the color of the money, not much else. The owner of that dealership won't accept someone working for them who won't sell a car to someone because that person is gay. They won't accept a mechanic who wants to know if the owner is gay. The guy that owns that dealership has a lot of money invested and at risk and his investors probably would be concerned if he allowed that to happen. So yes, refusal to work with gays, refusal to sell to gays, refusal to work for gays will limit the opportunities for one to succeed financially and career wise and teaching your children and grandchildren to be so absolute in these beliefs will limit their opportunities. You may not want it to be that way and you may fervently believe you are right in your beliefs but I would hope you could realistically say 'I understand that' rather than call it 'shyt' and hope you don't have to deal with reality. [/QUOTE]
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