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<blockquote data-quote="Lucky_P" data-source="post: 1684050" data-attributes="member: 12607"><p>That's painting with a broad brush, and not necessarily truthful. While some older sires might well classify as 'cow-killers', there are some from the 'early days' that would still be very useful today - especially if folks weren't hung up on the all-black hide deal.</p><p>First full-Fleck bull I used, back in the late 1980s is still in the top 2% of the breed for Calving Ease Direct & (low) birthweight, top 1% of breed for Maternal Calving ease. Also top 3% for marbling. IIRC, at the time, he was a trait leader for WW/YW as well, but has dropped to the 99th percentile in those categories in the last 30+ years. I'd still look at him today as a 'cow-maker', and he'd sire moderate frame, even today.... I'd use him in a second, if i had semen in the tank.</p><p>Last round of breeding we did before we sold out, we went back to a fullblood Fleckvieh sire on some of the cows... would have liked to see how those calves turned out...</p><p></p><p>You can do an animal search at simmental.org and see how those old bulls pan out with regard to Calving Ease, etc. As cattleman99 says, some may be worth something, some may have needed discarding 30 years ago.</p><p> I'd like to see a listing of them... I'm not in the market, but discussion of positive/negative experiences folks had with some of them, by longtime breeders, like Jeanne, could be quite interesting - and might even change your mind.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lucky_P, post: 1684050, member: 12607"] That's painting with a broad brush, and not necessarily truthful. While some older sires might well classify as 'cow-killers', there are some from the 'early days' that would still be very useful today - especially if folks weren't hung up on the all-black hide deal. First full-Fleck bull I used, back in the late 1980s is still in the top 2% of the breed for Calving Ease Direct & (low) birthweight, top 1% of breed for Maternal Calving ease. Also top 3% for marbling. IIRC, at the time, he was a trait leader for WW/YW as well, but has dropped to the 99th percentile in those categories in the last 30+ years. I'd still look at him today as a 'cow-maker', and he'd sire moderate frame, even today.... I'd use him in a second, if i had semen in the tank. Last round of breeding we did before we sold out, we went back to a fullblood Fleckvieh sire on some of the cows... would have liked to see how those calves turned out... You can do an animal search at simmental.org and see how those old bulls pan out with regard to Calving Ease, etc. As cattleman99 says, some may be worth something, some may have needed discarding 30 years ago. I'd like to see a listing of them... I'm not in the market, but discussion of positive/negative experiences folks had with some of them, by longtime breeders, like Jeanne, could be quite interesting - and might even change your mind. [/QUOTE]
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